Jesus was the first Republican:

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    Fake news
     
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    Yeah socialism is great
     
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    so what is living on 25% of that in China or 5% of that in Africa?
     
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    the beauty of America is that you are free to get a Ph,D
    cure cancer and earn billions
     
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    Did you do any of that? LOL
     
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    The Ministry of the Twelve

    (Matthew 10:5-15; Mark 6:7-13)



    1THEN calling together the twelve apostles, he gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. 3And he said to them: Take nothing for your journey; neither staff, nor scrip, nor bread, nor money; neither have two coats. 4And whatsoever house you shall enter into, abide there, and depart not from thence. 5And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off even the dust of your feet, for a testimony against them. 6And going out, they went about through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.


    This was for the ministers of the church. The faithful were to offer them food, shelter, clothing, water, money, etc.
     
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    if you have any idea what your point is why not let us know??
     
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    actually, not for the 120 million dead so far
     
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    And he famously said:

    "Yay though I walk thru the valley of death I will fear no evil.....for I am armed with the Aero Precision 13" Free Float Rail Magpul XTR Camo AR 15
     
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    Not one died rom socialism. That was Christianity
     
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    The point is, the ministers of the church were living communally, but the faithful were supplying them with what they needed to survive and continue with the mission given to them by Jesus.

    It seems that Jesus was not interested in money. He did not challenge the power of the state. He made no arguments defending himself before the Sanhedrin, the Romans, or Herod.

    On the other hand, there were some ideas of contemporary philosophers that the founding fathers of the USA did read and discuss. They had no desire to be taxed out of their house and home while having no say in how they would live and be governed. Yes, they used what they learned from their Christian beliefs, but Jefferson wrote his own bible. Not all were Christians.
     
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    Everybody knows Hoover's laissez-faire capitalism and the Republican Smoot-Hawley Act created the Great Depression.

    Send me a PM so I can give you my address for that $10,000.00.
     
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    Republicans on Wall Street financed and enabled the Bolsheviks. Just like they did with Hitler.
     
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    Thanks for proving that the Pentagon and military industrial complex is socialist welfarism enjoyed exclusively by the wealthy elites.
     
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    jm has just been ....


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    Socialism, like capitalism, has different degrees of control in any part of society. In some socialist countries your post would be accurate. In others, not so accurate. In democratic socialist countries the government doesn't come in a control the company or corporation in its daily activities, but it does set standards for safety and a healthy work environment, plus require that certain minimum standards are met in terms of the treatment of workers. Capitalists don't like that because they want to be free to treat workers and the environment however they please without interference. Totally free capitalism leads to a miserable work environment and miserable worker lives in many if not most cases. I prefer democratic socialism.
     
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    The question of ownership is less important than who in society benefits from that business
    Are you aware of or concerned about the high numbers of homeless people currently living on the streets of the U.S.? In a truly democratic socialist country that problem doesn't exist because the GOVERNMENT takes care of its citizens. Capitalist businesses in the U.S. don't. They've had centuries of financial success in America and all that time to remedy the homeless situation, but have failed miserably to do so. Capitalists are heartless. Every homeless street person is evidence of that fact.
     
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    Over the past decade or so, Venezuela became a communist state patterned after Castro's Cuba. Like all communist states, they claimed to be socialist. But in fact, they weren't. Communist states are tyrannical & dictatorial. Democratic Socialist states are not. Blaming Venezuela's problems on socialism is twisting the truth. Blame communism, not socialism, and you'd be more accurate.
     
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    A minimum living wage should be based on the costs of living in the geographical location where the recipient lives & works. It would vary considerably from state to state or even from city to city within a state to be totally accurate. A national minimum wage should be based on cost of living in an average for several of our largest cities, since that's where most Americans who'd be affected live.
     
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    Sure, as long as you can afford it and have the free time available to you outside having to struggle with personal daily survival. People who've had money all their lives are clueless about the struggle for daily survival a large portion of our population copes with every day. Because they can afford that PhD and all the schooling it demands, it's beyond their capacity to understand why anyone doesn't take advantage of what's available to themselves personally. But when you're locked in a system that doesn't provide you with basic survival needs, then your entire life focus becomes dealing with those needs, and personal dreams quickly become victims to your situation. A government that cares enough to provide those basics for their citizens can be a positive force in helping restore personal dreams to those financially deprived, and make the world a better place as a byproduct.
     
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    Um, who will do your daily survival things when you are living in a democratic socialist country? The poor? Those without higher education?

    Tell us your heartbreaking story of survival, please.

    Tell us why a young black man I worked with, who I did my best to teach what I knew to help him move up, decided to quit his job.

    What does one need to survive? Enumerate those basic needs, please.

    Whom do you refer to when you say some are financially deprived? Does the U.S. provide any of the things they need in any amount, currently?
     
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    james m. don't give up, man.
     
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    1. In a Democratic Socialist country, the government would provide basic housing, access to medical treatment, and a basic monetary stipend for everyone in need to support them until they could manage to provide those things for themselves on their own. This would always be temporary, but shorter time for some than others.
    2. Since I don't know the specific circumstances for the example you pose, all I can say about it is that we all deal with a variety of complex issues at any given time in our lives--sometimes more than others. Your black friend may have had more going on in his life at the time you tried helping him than he felt he could handle. He may have quit simply because he felt overwhelmed. Or, he could have quit because he had a conflict with someone else working there. Or because he had to leave the area, and didn't tell you. Or because he or someone he cared about was sick. There's a wide range of possibilities here. But whatever it was, it had a large impact on him--enough to cause him to quit a job where someone cared enough to help him learn what he needed to help himself, which was a pretty great thing.
    3. Everyone needs three basic things for survival: food, housing & reasonable health. Government can be a great benefit in all three for those in desperate need. Once those basic needs are provided, recipients can begin to focus on higher personal goals, like education, training, jobs, careers and healthy relationships with those they care about.
    When these things are taken care of--no matter how--everyone benefits: the recipient of aid; his or her family; everyone they touch in their daily lives, and the surrounding society as a whole, because they soon become more than a drain--they become increasingly motivated contributors to the world around them.
     
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    Food stamps, food banks, unemployment compensation, subsidized housing... so you want to shut down welfare after a period of time. That's all I see different.
     
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    His mother told him to quit when she realized she would get less support for housing, food, and cash assistance.
     

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