"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

I think this is inevitable whether we want to or not. People are just not going to put up with dying to save the feelings of some ******* whose only reason for being there is to obey Republican talking points.

Also, Republicans take note, people don't tend to vote for the Party that wants to kill them over **** that a 6 year old finds silly.

 

Then why not withdraw coverage for obese? What is the risk of Covid compared to the risk of obesity? Ill give you a hint: 1/3 Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic.

 

Well if there was a safe, highly effective, easy to use, widely available and cheap (perhaps even free!!!) treatment for obesity and someone steadfastly refused to take it because it was their 'right' not to? Why not penalize them financially for health insurance?

Now if only there was such a thing for COVID. Oh wait .........

Forcing people to exercise & eat healthily would require 24/7 intervention (somehow) in their private lives. Something which is neither practical or desirable. Offering financial inducements to do so is neither impracticable or undesirable. Neither is public education on the health issues and benefits involved.

For the rest the issue isn't catching a disease. Its how likely you are to pass it on to others and how sick you'll get from it. They're the cost multipliers. Don't give someone AIDS medication and their long term personal health care needs (hence costs) will skyrocket, as will the chance they'll pass the illness on to someone else and round you go again. Give them access to the drugs they need, even at a subsidized price and your still saving massive amounts of money both for private insurers and the general public. And if someone was stupid enough to stand on their 'right' not to take AIDS medication then their insurers would have every 'right' to penalize them financially for making that decision.

For that matter its a criminal offense in many jurisdictions to knowingly pass on AIDS to a sexual partner without advising them in advance that you have the disease and should take precautions.

 

Who's going to die? Be specific.

 

I'm going to repeat what I wrote the other day.

Do you guys remember when we were talking about the huge crime numbers in big cities which justified packing heat and the left said the best way to avoid crime and stay safe was to never leave your home? I remember.

So why doesn't the left just stay safe in their homes and stop lecturing everyone else.

 

I didn't know The Man Show was still on air?

 

Don't we have well over 600,000 already dead from Covid??Take your shots like men instead of acting like herd of *******.

 

They don't. Its the stupidity of the left who don't know people who have already had Covid have stronger immune systems against Covid than vaccinated. They also don't know that vaccinated people are 20 times more likely to be hospitalized than people who already had Covid.

Thats why most don't listen to lefty claims

 

People are very very angry at the incredible selfishness of those who refused to mask, refused to socially distance, refused to honor emergency public health measures, and then refused the vaccine . The people who are most in need of that bed and that treatment, get that bed and that treatment while we do our level best to reduce circumstances of cross contamination in providing care. Hospitals are not in the business of passing moral judgement about how the sick got that way, nor do they spend time pondering on all the stupid moves or decisions that got any given patient so in need of that bed.

The anger is justified, but it does not belong in the hospital, it does not belong in the allocation of life saving or comfort care services. Its not much different from denying an AIDS patient critical or palliative care because he refused to wear a condom or change his promiscuous lifestyle even when he was warned of the risk. We do not deny urgent care to the selfish, or the foolish, or the stubborn so we can give it the the unselfish, the proactive, the cooperative. We give it the those who need it.

This is not the time or place to look for 'justice' or 'equity' in the face of negligence in personal conduct. I am fine doing some discriminating in providing non emergent care ( Tummy tuck anyone?) or non medical. There are plenty of places where I would support rewarding the vaccinated, over the un vaccinated, just not there.

And as for that business of allowing insurance companies not to cover. These are some astronomical bills in the 100s of thousands. Guess who pays those bills? Now try to guess a second time!

 

Why are you making these arguments to me? I was responding to another poster.

 

Does the taxpayer pay for the medical treatment of someone with cancer?

Why should the taxpayer pay for the medical treatment of someone who has chosen to get COVID?

 

1. Maybe if they are on Medicaid, Medicare, or some other government program.

2. Yes. Covid diagnosis is paid by the government per the 2020 relief bill.

 

So the millions that got Covid before any vaccine was available, who have higher immunity to Covid than the vaccinated, you going to call them antivaxxers and punish them as well?
So its the vaccine or nothing? Even with the vaccinated having 20 times more likely to be hospitalized than anyone who already had Covid, you think only vaccinated people are somehow above everyone else?

Stop being lead around by the media. There is nothing out their including mask and vaccines that can protect you from getting Covid and at some point in time, everyone on the planet will get it. All the vaccine does is help with symptoms. Thats it. Vaccinated are hospitalized by the thousands as well. This vaccine has been administered to more people in the US than any other vaccine in history. The only way to get over it is to get through it. Herd immunity. The reason so many people are hospitalized is this virus was manufactured to be more infectious. Thats why its spreading so fast. Not anti maskers, not anti vaxxers, just the nature of an aerosol virus in population.

Why do you think there are so many people in the medical field who refuse to take it? Its not the safest option if your healthy. We have over 800 children right now with enlarged hearts due to this vaccine yet not one single healthy child has died from Covid. So stop all the emergency hype about something you can't control. Its a virus with a 99% survival rate.

 

Because neither your mask or vaccine can stop the transmission of Covid and at some point in time, everyone on the planet will get it. All the vaccine does is help with symptoms. Thats it. Vaccinated are hospitalized by the thousands as well. This vaccine has been administered to more people in the US than any other vaccine in history. The only way to get over it is to get through it. Herd immunity. The reason so many people are hospitalized is this virus was manufactured to be more infectious. Thats why its spreading so fast. Not anti maskers, not anti vaxxers, just the nature of an aerosol virus in population.

Why do you think there are so many people in the medical field who refuse to take it? Its not the safest option if your healthy. And if you already had Covid you have a much higher immunity than the vaccinated. And the vaccinated are 20 times more likely to be hospitalized than those who already had Covid. But you can't stop the spread of this virus.

We have over 800 children right now with enlarged hearts due to this vaccine yet not one single healthy child has died from Covid. So stop all the emergency hype about something you can't control. Its a virus with a 99% survival rate. Not Ebola.

 

I said why?
Why should taxpayers foot the bill for someone being irresponsible?

 

Again, why should the taxpayer pay for COVID when patients choose to get it when we do not pay for people sick through no fault of their own?

 

Nope. Just nope to this whole mess.

 

Of course, you source nothing for your false drivel.

 

I can't stand that snide little worm, but I can't argue with his point.

And full disclosure, I would also refuse ongoing treatment to the obese, the drunk driver, the smoker, the illegal about to die of dehydration, etc. Provide 'battle field' emergency treatment to stable status, and that's it. Of course, any such policy would need to be heavily advertised well in advance of its start date, so people had time to change their ways or suffer the consequences. There are just too many of us, in a world of diminishing resources, to cater to every self-inflicted injury/disease.

 

Sorry must got confused about who I wished to respond to. Apologies!

 

No problem.
Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2

The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.
https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Of course, most people already knew this and every time a doctor tried to tell the leftist media they were ridiculed to death. No vaccine is as good as you own immune system.
Vaccinated people who have not had Covid are 13 times more likely to get infected and 27 times more likely to be hospitalized. And thats coming from the largest real world study to date in the highest vaccinated country in the world with over 2.5 million recorded cases of vaccinated vs people who already had Covid and unvaccinated.

 

Then maybe you should get better educated on Covid and the people who already had it.

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2

The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.
https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Of course, most people already knew this and every time a doctor tried to tell the leftist media they were ridiculed to death. No vaccine is as good as you own immune system.
Vaccinated people who have not had Covid are 13 times more likely to get infected and 27 times more likely to be hospitalized. And thats coming from the largest real world study to date in the highest vaccinated country in the world with over 2.5 million recorded cases of vaccinated vs people who already had Covid and unvaccinated.

 

Because without the unvaccinated who already had Covid with a 99% survival rate and an immune system that dwarfs the vaccine, you would never see the end of it.

 

Weird thing. Ever since the Federal Government started reimbursing hospitalized COVID patients at higher rates, hospitals have been admitting COVID patients with milder symptoms.

Study suggests about half of hospitalized COVID patients this year had mild symptoms.

You want to lower COVID hospitalizations?
Lower COVID hospitalization reimbursement rates.

 

Chosen to get Covid because they are obese or unvaccinated or both?