"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Sure... expand it. Lets get some extra nurses and doctors. Oh snap... they still need to be trained for like 4 years or something.
    So now what?
     
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    Oh what? It's almost as if we have medical universities and stuff currently teaching a whole new crop of doctors...how is this possible?
     
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    Of course it would be difficult. Things worth doing are often harder than crappy things! Unfortunately we went with the easy thing (throw money at the system, and enable irresponsible behaviour in so doing), rather than the hard thing. It's our way, here in the First World. We think we have endless resources, and so can afford the dangerous luxury of protecting peoples' feelings and fun.
     
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    1) The high carb/low fat diet is predicated on the level of activity we did when it was devised. IOW something like ten times the activity we do now. A high carb diet is only going to be a problem for you if you do virtually no exercise. And you can never safely mimic the processes of an efficient metabolism via 'chemistry' - which is exactly what a high protein/low carb diet is attempting to do. An efficient metabolism requires MOVEMENT. It has to actually do the work organically, in the full processing sense, to provide the health benefits and protections (endocrinological balance, cancer risk reduction, cardiac health, etc) we want it to.

    2) ADHD is an environmental (as in parenting) problem. It's not genetic, and it's not sugar.
     
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    Jimmy Kimmel is the funniest person on the planet.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Plenty of good comedians out there who would kill it, unfortunately they'd all get cancelled so we're left with Kimmel, Fallon and Oliver.

    At least they're better than Amy Schumer I guess.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Turns out that a large percentage of those afflicted with death or serious adverse effect are Obese. .. Excellent post.

    Another thing to add is that the shitty vax - which is not really a vaccine at all - doesn't stop the thing .. does not prevent transmission .. like small pox .. polio .. and so on .. and in not stopping it aids in the virus's increased transmission rate - and ability to infect a larger demographic.

    and this new vax is a whole lot scarier than is being reported... not only in adverse effects we know about - but stuff we don't know .. hopefully the trials will to reach completion in 2022 23 - and some of the unknowns will be removed.
     
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    It takes years for them to start working in the hospitals... while the shortage due to covid is right NOW.
    It almost seems that you're not able to understand that you can't just have more medical staff when you snap your fingers.
     
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    Every year the graduate a certain amount of doctors. I'd start expanding the graduation process and put emphasis in those in covid treatment facilities instead of plastic surgeons.

    Start training nurses and technicians specific to use equipment needed for these facilities. Use medics from our army reserves to fill in gaps. Get er done.
     
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    There is a way around that. The federal government controls the number of residency's available every year, so only a percentage of doctors who graduate each year can get into a residency. If you can't get into a residency, you can't practice so...increase the number.
     
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    Agreed. The only thing more hilarious than Hollywood men crying like little girls are the memes that are made from them. My advice to them is stop trying to be funny, that is about the only time that people aren't laughing.

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    Ah, so your idea is to make people be the type of doctor you want them to be, to serve the nation.
    How communistic and unrealistic.

    As previously said....
    It takes years for them to start working in the hospitals... while the shortage due to covid is right NOW.
    It almost seems that you're not able to understand that

    And to deal with the situation NOW... it does seem Kimmel has a solution, where people looking for trouble get treated as 2nd class patients when they found it.
     
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    Simple common sense and will be what is done eventually out of simple necessity. It's always been that way in the past and always will be in the future. We can't permit people to simply kill us willynilly, whether with guns or a disease is irrelevant.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Funniest man on the planet is Steve Martin. Master of the unfunny, he "imitates jerks" according to Steve Allen.
     
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    And again. It's almost as if every year there is a new graduate class that is ready to get out into the field. Expand the amount of schools and training and until then have the national guard fill in stop gaps.

    Crazy train ya?
     
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    And every year people retire too. So this does not produce the large influx needed.

    So your best idea is to expand schools today, so in 4 to 8 years we got enough doctors to deal with Covid-19.
    you are supporting my argument about.....while the shortage due to covid is right NOW!!!
    /facepalm
     
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    Rather then force people to inject something they don't want to inject against their rights.

    Yes.

    A million times.

    If someone would rather take their chances against the virus rather than inject the vaccine. That's on them. Expanding health care needs to have happened yesterday, because flooded hospitals isn't going to go away anytime soon
     
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    Would you happen to have a link for that CDC statement? I'm sure that I have heard/read that the viral loads in the unvaccinated are three or four times higher than in those who have been vaccinated.

    But if this is a matter of the CDC updating its information, that goes to the point that you are ignoring; namely, that Covid is an EVOLVING situation. Just because a vaccinated individual is well-protected from serious illness against current strains of the virus, is no guarantee that this will remain the case. The longer this continues, and the more intensely it rages, the more variants will emerge, and so the greater the odds that one of them will evade the vaccinations' defense.
     
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    This response makes no sense about the amount of doctors we're lacking NOW.
    And nobody is being forced anyways.

    I take it you admit that you can not solve the problem of having a heck of a lot more doctors NOW.
    And so Kimmel is right that unvaxxed people causing the problem of flooded hospitals should be treated as 2nd class patients or not treat at all... since we got to solve that flooded problem.
     
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    Show me the proof that vaccinated people are not spreading it.

    I'll wait.
     
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    And then after you come to terms with that reality...show me how this administration ISN'T flooding people in from the southern border who are going to be flooding all of our social services including health care.

    And then when you come to terms with that, you can now stop with your false outrage about covid patients flooding hospitals. People who were infected by either vaccinated or non vaccinated alike. People who are either illegal immigrants or American citizens.

    And one last thing to consider. You never want to give powers to the administration if you would not feel comfortable with the "other guy" having the same powers. So I guess that would mean that you would feel comfortable with a Trump administration with the power to inject you with **** you don't trust? Ya?
     
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    This is not about spreading, but who needs medical care. And I already sourced that nonvaxxed people are by far the dominant reason why hospitals are flooded.
    And so Kimmel is right that to solve this issue now, is to not tread people who could not be bothered to be vaxxed assuming they would either be fine or in good hands, when there aren't enough hands.
     
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    off topic.

    I already sourced that the unvaxxed flood the hospitals.


    You should come to terms that people gamble to not get vaxxed and remain healthy, and that their choice should come with the grim perspective to be treated as 2nd class patients if they end up being very ill with covid.
     
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    The fact that you feel any person should be considered 'second class' in any manner is a rather sad picture of your view of humans. I wonder, does the same abhorrent feelings exist with people with the flu? Any other virus, perhaps AIDS? Or is it just the current hot spot virus that brings out the idea that someone who has not received an injection that does not prevent the carrying or transmission of said virus?

    If you received the injection, then if you should catch the virus, you should not have major symptoms. Congratulations. Yet 'you' could spread it to others.... should your care be reduced because you spread it?
     
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    No no sir. You do not get to be concerned about a flooded health care system while at the same time ignoring how the system still gets flooded by people you don't want acknowledge.

    It makes your outrage hollow and hypocritical.

    Show me stats that say vaccinated people do not spread the virus as much as non vacced.
     

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