Man injured after officer involved shooting in Kenosha

The Defund The Police mantra is a dumb assed thing. Most of us rational,people have told those folks who are demanding that that it is one stupid idea.

 

OK, paralyzed penalty.

 

Not in the slightest.

 

ABC nbc cbs fox all said unarmed ....

 

Oh I figured

 

Or a knife and no it's not a technicality. Police are NOT required to engage in hand to hand combat with suspects they believe to be armed with a gun or a knife or anything else.

 

How do they know? And what matters is what the police reasonably believed and the witnesses say the police believed he had a knife. But then I believe there are reports now that he had been waiving a knife and why the police were called. And the fact remains if you refuse to obey the lawful orders of the police and open a car door and reach into it where a gun is most likely stashed YOU are responsible for the results.

 

so you're not voting Democrats right

 

I would guess they would know better than you or I.....

Weird how it's just both sides making assumptions freely

 

I also find it notable that if the officer felt he was justified to shoot, he appears to consider the crowd/passengers. As I watch, there aren't many good angled shots on the suspect. Just about all angles involve a high collateral damage risk EXCEPT the angle the officer chose. Ofc he could have been lucky.

 

True but I'm worried about the conclusions that lead to burned cities right now.

 

Just because they know doesn't mean they will report it.

Check out the article on Bronna Taylor posted yesterday by the Courier Journal.

If you Google the article from yesterday, you'll find the article they posted in the afternoon. What I, saw was the ORIGINAL article posted in the morning which basically laid out what I have been saying people in Louisville knew all along...

That Breonna Taylor was a co-conspirator in her boyfriends drug network.

I have links to both articles if you would like to compare the two. Clearly though someone high up here decided the ORIGINAL article didn't have the right... spin... in it.

 

Yea this is an interesting one here, they obviously knew who he was and had a warrant. They were hell bent on him not getting in that car, why the children or a weapon. Much more needs to be known here for any kind of judgement. What we know for a fact the guy was a felon and was recently arrested using a deadly weapon, he had a felony warranty out on him and kids in the car, all really bad things that cops couldn't overlook. Now we have to figure out why they were hesitant to tackle and pulled the trigger.

 

Apparently the original video audio has the cops saying, "Drop the knife". I never got good audio version.

What happens AFTER the cops allegedly say this dramatically heightens the tension. The suspect does not show hands in order to deescalate. He ignores the commands, even though it would be very easy for the suspect to show that he had no knife. Any reasonable person would assume that the suspect either was armed at the moment, or he was seeking to be armed.

 

"A man who said he made the video, 22-year-old Raysean White, said he saw Blake scuffling with three officers and heard them yell, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before the gunfire erupted. He said he didn’t see a knife in Blake’s hands. The governor said he had seen no information to suggest Blake had a knife or other weapon but that the case was still being investigated by the state Justice Department."

Unproven that he had a knife but it sure sounds like the police believed he did. This greatly limits their options.

"Witnesses to Jacob Blake's shooting have said that police used a Taser and wrestled with him prior to the shooting, according to multiple sources."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...before-shooting-him-witnesses-say/ar-BB18lS69

Seems they tried just about all their options. Be interesting to see what the autopsy shows was in his system.

 

But all we have is "allegedly " and "assume". The public especially the Black community goes with what is on the surface and when he facts are not clear or not made known the Black community and everyone else puts in their "allegations " and "assumptions" t fit what they already believe. There are people and groups who go off on every police shooting where a Black is involved and automatically yell "murder" racism". On the flip side there are those who automatically assume that the police are always 100% right for killing every Black guy who they stop or investigate. the is the nature of our society these days. Maybe that is the way it always was and now that "everyone" has a cellphone camera we know about these things.
I understand the need for a careful investigation in order to make sure both sides get proper justice but the municiple authorities need to try and get as many of the facts out there to try and and prevent violence. Yes it is true that there are those in the Black community that will riot, loot and burn at even a rumor of a shooting.

This puts tremendous burden on police in that it they do not have the time to make the right decision in cases where the "appearances " do not point to a clear cut case.

 

Any of us reasonable people are concerned about that.

 

What does that have to do with anything? Uncle joe is not advocating defunding the police so your question is moot.

 

How? They've seen nothing we haven't and the witnesses and video say otherwise. What is the evidence he was unarmed? Mine is not an assumption mine is based on the evidence we know. Why don't you acknowledge it?

 

Dupe

 

The Democrats are and if he and they win they will be pushing it nationwide. So you aren't voting for them are you?

Which side of these "assumptions" is using the facts as we know them and not engaged in the lies of ommission? Which side is burning down the city and there were even 2 deaths last night in the riots? Which side refuses to wait for the investigation and wants the officers lynched tomorrow? Which side throwing the matches to stoke the flames or racial unrest tearing the country apart?

 

If Joe redirects money away from the police will they have as much money?

 

Yep and it is ALL based on the criminals actions and what the police had a reasonable belief. And there will be no autopsy

EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION HE IS NOT DEAD........................

It will be interesting to see if they did a toxicology blood draw and what his statement to the investigators will be.

Refuse to follow the lawful orders of the police
Fight with police
Be armed with a lethal weapon
Refuse to drop the weapon when ordered
Get TASED and blow that off
Try to flee the scene
Refuse to follow the lawful orders of the police
Open a car door
Refuse to follow the lawful orders of the police
Reach into the car where a gun would be stashed
Refuse to follow the lawful orders of the police

BOOM - you will be shot

Where is the criticism of the criminal and his acts and refusal to obey the lawful orders of the police? Why is he being made a martyr?

 

Oops yep I obviously knew that. How about a toxicology report. He gets away from three police trying to subdue him, shrugs off a taser and proceeds in an irrational manner to his car where he opens the door and reaches for something. I would like to see what he had in his system.

 

If you then reach into a car where a gun would be stashed it is.

BTW Katie Pavlich is reporting on FOX that indeed the police were called to the scene BECAUSE of this guy who was threatening the 911 caller, trespassing on her property, had grabbed her car keys and would not give them back. They ran a check on him before they arrived and discovered the outstanding felony warrant and when they approached him tried to arrest him he resisted and fought with them.

According to witnesses the police were yelling at him to drop a lethal weapon and refused.
According to witnesses they tried to TASE him to no effect.
Then we see him try to flee the arrest
Then we see him open the car door
Then we see him reach into the car where a gun would be stashed

So everyone stop making it out like this guy was just out for a nice drive with kids in the back and the police just pulled up and shot him.