Massive increase in Black Americans murdered was result of defund police movement: experts

Someone doesn’t have to die for them to violate our rights. I don’t support defunding. I support smarter funding.

 

Yeah...right.

As for "violating rights", I've watched many of the same video's you no doubt are referencing. I've also seen many where the cops get their comeuppance for violating those rights. We don't live in a perfect world. Stop expecting one.

 

I joked it sounds better because I’m against it.
I don’t expect perfect, I expect competence. They need more training. Takes longer to get certified to braid hair than to be a cop.

 

AH, so you didn't understand the case. makes sense now.

 

Black lives don't matter.

Black criminal's lives matter.

 

The newspaper article says so, but not the data. Although the data shows the number of murders among black Americans increased in 2020 compared to the prior year, it never drew that conclusion. In fact, according to the data, murders in all categories went up from the prior year. And according to this data, the trend is that the number of murders started going up beginning in 2018. Not exactly evidence of "defund the police" will prove to.

 

The preliminary analysis by the FBI does not not make that conclusion. Conservative pundits have made that interpretation from the data at hand.

Or in other words, no one is disputing the number of murders occured in 2020, what is being disputed is the so-called interpretation from the Fox News Article.

 

LOL. And only rich, white people only do embezzlement, tax evasion and tax fraud, securities fraud, corporate fraud, money laundering, etc. And then we have those so-called anti-government militias such as the Michigan Militia and its numerous remnants, 3 percenters, insurrectionists on January 6th, etc.

 

Considering how expensive it has been to live in the USA for the last 5 decades, government assistance does not pay the bills. That is why most who are on government assistance work "under the table" most of the time.

How many is "many" here. If it becomes predominately black in that same neighborhood, how many whites will not take the "great white flight" from that neighborhood to another?

There are some, but not many. It really depends on if the father of the child or children is paying child support and/or alimony if the law requires it. In addition, if the mother or child cannot receive TANF, then it has more to do with immigration laws than anything else. And do not give me that CIS Study either. It won't help you here.

There are a lot of factors why women are at a higher risk of poverty than their male counterparts according to this website. And according to statistics from the link, 62% of single mother households received TANF benefits. If fact, the link says, "Even for those who did receive assistance, the amount was far less than the minimum they’d need to to stave off hardship — like hunger, homelessness, and utility cut-offs."

It is your type of thinking that has gotten here to begin with. We started all of this in the 1920s and moved on from there. What has happened is that you are grossly generalizing about people who are poor while "sitting on your Mount Olympus" so to speak. We should help, but the first step is to stop this nonsense that it is only/primarily black or lack of intelligence or other nonsense that you and others keep posting wihout any knowledge whatsoever.

 

Which has nothing to do with the fact that they decided it was better to live in poverty for free than it was to work for advancement.

Blacks are 13% of the population. How would a neighborhood become predominantly black in a middle class setting?

72% of black babies are born to single mothers and are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single.

This isn't my type of thinking. Its the actual statistics that speak for themselves. When the woke wake up and acknowledge what the real problems are instead of all the nonsense about it being racist to even speak of the real numbers, we can start to fix the problem. You can't fix a problem if you can't even address it honestly and calling white people sitting on their Mount Olympus for speaking the truth is just what the left does.[/QUOTE]

 

That’s correct. Ferguson effect or not, defunded police or not, blacks are still murdering each other at a very high rate. The left focuses on the relatively small number of black killed by police of which the overwhelming number are justified, and ignore the tens of thousands of black on black murders of which none are justified.

 

Yah because protests against criminals don’t work. How about the cops go out and catch the blacks killing blacks and stop making excuses?

 

Even if no cops existed blacks should not be killing blacks, or anyone else for that matter. It seems like you’re trying to blame the cops for black on black murders. Are you?

 

So you are arguing that people "choose" to be poor? Cost of living, availability and opportunities for better jobs, family support, and a whole bunch of other factos has a lot to do with it.

You are using a logical fallacy here, several in fact and assuming that statistics of populations are uniform throughout the region or that because of a certain percentage of a population is low then it cannot be true. Yet, we do have majority black communities in the United States. Where I live, one famous neighborhood is called Oak Cliff. There is East Oak Cliff and West Oak Cliff. But as I said, if blacks become higher than what White want, then they will flee instead of staying. This was especially true in the 1960s and 70s.

Yes and that is called recidivism because of no strong male figure in the household. However, it is also why it is important to see if there are strong role models. The best place to start is the athletes in Football, basketball, baseball, etc. Most of the Black NFL athletes do this BTW and some, like Michael Jordan, did exactly that when they were playing, etc. With the government, it's job is to try to provide as many options available as possible and not get involved in the "blame game."

Privately, there have been times when white evangelicals worked with black pastors to voluntarily reduce the number of abortions within the black community, especially teens. One was when Jerry Falwell Sr and a Black Civil Rights Activist/Pastor did exactly that. I cannot remember the name though. But then again, that was at a time when most people were sane, even the politicians despite the occasional crazy rhethoric.

You are cherry-picking statistics, using statistical fallacies, etc to draw your own conclusions based on incomplete data. That part I can't help you with, but your education is not as good as you think it is.

 

Neither should whites, Asians, Hispanics, etc. But that is a should've, would've, could've argument.

There is really no "black on black" crime. Most homicides occur based on the people you know, are acquainted with, etc no matter who the person is, race, color, religion, creed, etc. Rare is the random and that generally involves massed homicides.

 

I said they have chosen to live in poverty for free instead of working toward advancement. Anyone in the country can better themselves if they chose to do so.
Its only been proven a few hundred billion times.

I was not talking about black communities or the 60s or the 70s but I see why you needed to deflect.

I was talking about middle class blacks living in middle class neighborhoods. For the largest majority of these neighborhoods, you will never have a predominantly black population because they are not the predominate race. When did actual math become so obtuse to so many.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the facts I posted.
72% of black babies are born to single mothers and are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single. And nothing you posted disputes those facts.

Nonsense. The statistics are public knowledge and well known. You can dance around them all you want but you can dispute them with a single claim.

 

Of course not. I’m blaming them for whining instead of doing their jobs

 

Yeah, people tend to whine when they’re called racist homicidal maniacs who go to the police academy for no other reason than to learn how to murder black people and get away with it. Yes, that was actually said on this board by a guy named after a president.

 

Buncha snowflakes, some guy on the internet isn’t an excuse to not do their job.

 

People shouldn’t be murdering other people in the first place. You and your left wing friends seem to only blame the people with the least number of unjustified murders and ignore the people who commit thousands of unjustified murders. I already know what you’re going to say. Don’t. It won’t look good for you or blacks.

 

I’m 100% in favor of locking up murderers of any race

 

Yeah, your condemnation of ‘any race’ is plastered all across this board.

 

There must be some connection between White embezzlers, tax-evaders, and securities fraudsters, with 'Black-on-Black' murders, but I must be lacking the necessary imagination to comprehend it....

 

This is been obvious from day one to all but the deliberately self deluded.

 

Good! Too bad more liberals don't share your belief that ALL murderers should be 'locked up'.

Capital punishment is an even better solution, and MUCH more cost-effective!