Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Egoboy, Oct 17, 2019.
Someone's claim not involved is just opinion. Sorry you cannot discern the difference.
I'm not looking over there, nor are you focused on the problem at hand..
You mean the dem clown show interpretation of what Mulvaney said.
Nah, never look at democrat corruption. It is the way of democrats.
Like the aid actually being held up?? That kind of tangible proof??
You mean like the English interpretation? You guys have no integrity at all (best case scenario).
The aid was being held up until the Ukrainians agreed to investigate the Crowdstrike Conspiracy and Biden 's son. The Trump administration has admitted it. Those two factors are the only ones mentioned in the tel-con and the only two factors identified as "corruption" by the administration.
I'm done. There's no point continuing with someone who argues black is white.
It's pretty fascinating. You have to wonder if these people really believe what they are saying, and what it took to get them in that state if they do.
Indeed. I've seen it on both sides to be fair.
LOL, thanks for proving my point.
Talking to a mirror?
I completely agree.
Oh you made a point? Congratulations, it was the first one you've made in a while. Pity I missed it.
The sufferers would miss it.
Trump is basically a "showman." He loves to set the stage and then play out the narrative, he creates. My "theory" on this is that very few people (maybe three or four) knew ALL of the elements of the Ukrainian scam. The "Three Amigos" probably didn't know how "corruption" was actually being defined and thought it referred to corruption in broad terms, not understanding that the real goal was to discredit the Russian election interference (for Putin's sake and a handful of pardons) and secondarily to take out a potential 2020 competitor. Unfortunately, for Trump, he's never played on this large a stage before and political pundits on foreign and domestic issues are far more astute than the columnists on the entertainment and gossip pages.
This Left wing talking point has been thoroughly debunked. I'll bet the MSM ignores reality and continues with the Orwellian brainwashing on the "Useful Idiot" brigade.
What "talking point?"
"that trump held up Ukraine for aide for political gain"....
THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. 100% Debunked.
OK...and why do you think this has been totally debunked? Mulvaney admitted it on tape.
Good Lord... you listened to the 10 seconds the MSM pushed of a 30 minute press conference and think you know something? Let me fill you in.
What Mulvaney really said was, Trump had initially withheld funding from Ukraine for many reasons like:
Europe was not providing enough funding for military aid.
Suspicion of past corruption in Ukraine — which included Ukraine’s possible role in interfering in the 2016 presidential election
Possible possession of a Democratic National Committee server
Other quotes from Mulvaney during the press conference:
“The money held up had absolutely nothing to do with Biden.”
"Go look at what [U.S. Ambassador to the European Union] Gordon Sondland said today in his testimony — was that, I think, in his opening statement — he said something along the lines of, they were trying to get the “deliverable,” and the deliverable was a statement by the Ukraine about how they were going to deal with corruption. Okay? Go read his testimony, if you haven’t already. And what he says, and he’s right, that’s absolutely ordinary course of business. This is what you do. When you have someone come to the White House — when you either arrange a visit for the president, you have a phone call with the president — a lot of times we use that as the opportunity to get them to make a statement of their policy, or to announce something that they are going to do. It’s one of the reasons you can sort of announce that on the phone call or at the meeting. This is the ordinary course of foreign policy."
These ongoing misrepresentations by the Leftists is harmful to the nation. The Democrats/MSM lies and cherry picking is atrocious. Then we have the "Useful Idiot" brigade taking these lies and repeating them repeatedly. Let's just hope the Independents don't fall for their ongoing lies.
I listened to the entire press conference. He did mention the lack of European aid and that was mentioned in the tel-con as well, but certainly not stressed. The "favor" Trump requested was directly related to the 2016 election and Biden's son. Read the transcript.
And to follow it all the way through, what EXACTLY happened to get the aid released
1. Ukraine opened any investigations into anybody named Biden
2. Ukraine opened any investigations into servers
3. Congress opened an investigation into the 7/25 phone call
He's just trying to "volume spam" you.... that's one of the plays when it's going really far south...
Well, there is going to be more testimony next week on why the aid money was held up, including the DoD assessment on Ukrainian "corruption," and how the WH defined it versus everyone else.
Trump is dancing as fast as he can.
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