Minneapolis officer's attorney alleges George Floyd overdosed on fentanyl, says charges should be dr

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  1. TCassa89

    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    Hey look, someone in this thread is actually using the information from the medical examiner
     
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    I see your claim, but it is your own conclusion, and not the conclusion of any medical examiner who performed an autopsy on the subject.
     
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    It’s the only rational conclusion. No one dopes up that much, has that much of medical issues, then gets into a fight and lives.

    He killed himself.
     
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    Well according to the medical examiner you are wrong
     
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    He definitely killed himself with that much drugs.

    Hopefully this officer walks.
     
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    It takes 14 minutes to absorb the maximum theraputic dose of fentanyl through the skin. If you ingest it, which is what is alleged to have happened at the beginning of the stop it takes about 5 minutes to take effect. Floyd was clearly suffering a cardiac event in the video before he was on the ground. Depressed breathing and heart function are the main side effects of fentanyl intoxication. Add advanced heart disease, meth, weed and stress into the situation and viola. Dead guy.
     
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    Well then write your opinion to the medical examiner for analysis
     
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    Nah, ill just continue to post the truth here.
     
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    Lets play devil's advocate and say that is completely true.What are police officers supposed to do when people are showing clear signs of a cardiac event? Are they supposed to apply pressure to the subject's neck for 9 minutes after they are constrained, or are they supposed to act as first responders?

    It's one thing to argue that the officers are innocent because there was a cardiac event taking place without them knowing it, it's another to argue that the subject was "clearly suffering a cardiac event" and that applying pressure to the subject's neck was the appropriate course of action
     
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    They are supposed to subdue the active threat, first and foremost. Floyd decided to fight, despite his symptoms. Drug induced no doubt.
     
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    What moolk said.
     
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    The officer had his knee on his neck for 9 minutes after he was constrained. In fact the officer's knee remained on his neck minutes after Floyd was unresponsive
     
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    I doubt there was much he could do since Floyd killed himself
     
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    I'd get that argument if the knee on the neck was just used to constrain the subject, however the officer's knee remained on his neck for 9 minutes after he was already constrained, and remained there minutes after the subject was unresponsive
     
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    He didnt suffocate and no damage was noted to his arteries in his neck. The method of death was heart attack. I dont care if the knee was on his neck for 9 minutes or 9 hours, he was already dead.
     
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    The autopsy said the cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest caused by failure in the heart's ability to pump blood to the brain due to the stress put on the body from neck compression, but lets play devil's advocate and say the cardiopulmonary arrest was already taking place, what reason was there for the officer to have his knee on his neck for so long while he was already constrained?

    If he was in fact already having a heart attack, it is the officers duty to act as first responders, not apply stress to the subject's neck. If the man was in fact already dead, or dying, why on earth would you have your knee on his neck instead of providing immediate medical attention?
     
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    Dignity, communal respect, sense of conscience, service to God. There's no shortage of good reasons not to be a scumbag and pleasing some government official wouldn't make the top 100 on my list.
     
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    I wonder how much damage will be caused by rioters if this officer is justly released without conviction
     
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    Given Floyd's position, officer may not have know that he was having a heart attack. Further, when Floyd was claiming he couldn't breath, the officer knew he was not constricting his throat, nor was he constricting the juggler Artery or vein. Therefore, his actions did not hasten or cause Floyd's death.

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    The officer's knee was clearly on the back of the neck. Looking at this picture, I have to change my personal opinion that the officer killed Floyd.
     
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    I agree. When they released the autopsy report in June I saw the fentanyl level and meth. After looking up the overdose amount of fentanyl, I figured Mr. Floyd died of Excited Delirium more than from the restraint. That still did not excuse Chauvin's actions of holding Floyd down by the neck well after Floyd had gone unconscious. It didn't excuse it then. It doesn't excuse it today.

    Now, will any level of "murder" charge stick? Probably not, but some serious charge should stick and Chauvin should not be allowed to continue his career in policing. Perhaps we're back to involuntary manslaughter, though I still think the charges should be more severe. Floyd needed medical aid which they failed to provide.
     
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    I agree completely with this. That knee on the neck is unacceptable and must be charged but mr floyd would be alive today if he didn't take that level of deadly drugs.
     
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    If the man were so incapacitated by drugs, kneeling on him for over eight minutes hardly seems justifiable. The officer's actions have dubious motivations and are arguably criminal. As almost everyone's mind is already made up, any such objectivity will be met with the usual, predictable clichéd remarks. Nevertheless, we are all now paying for the errors of these two miscreants, Floyd and Chauvin.
     
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    Experts don't contradict and has been cited previously you must block BOTH carotids. Why do you keep ignoring what really happened?
     
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    He kept struggling even as he was first on the ground as the officers tried to get him to calm down go read the transcripts that were released.
     
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    Had Floyd not died yes Chauvin should have faced an abuse charge, pain and suffering. But it is quite reasonable to assume Floyd without that knee would still be dead.
     

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