Miscellaneous Thoughts About God

That's why I asked to whom.
For me, no.
To most Christians, it matters greatly.
To a few Christians, no.
To all non Christians, no.

 

If you’re confining your miscellaneous thought to simply god does not exist we can proceed no further. However, we could proceed on the basis of a hypothetical. What if Jesus was not God; would his sacrifice have made a difference? (As I previously laid out briefly).

 

I don't know if a god exists.
But I don't any long believe if a god exists, it exists as the entity described by the bible.

I am not much for hypotheticals, to me that runs into philosophy and I don't get philosophy in the least. Philosophy to me means all things are on the table and it never leads to anywhere or it leads to everywhere. IMO.

But in your Jesus Scenario, Yes, Jesus being god makes a big difference.
Without that, the base christian belief is gone.
Because a mere man can not save all of humanity.

 

But according to the Bible Jesus was not a mere man. He was the second Adam. The redeemer. If he was God the redemption would have been based on an impossibility. God cannot sin. Jesus was tempted but resisted the temptations.

 

https://www.openbible.info/topics/why_was_christ_call_the_second_adam

I was a long time LCMS. We never called Jesus the 2nd Adam.
At the link above are all the vs, supposedly, that compare Jesus to Adam. And really, only 1 makes a good connection in my mind.

1 Corinthians 15:45 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Yes, Jesus was not a mere man. He is "the" son of god. According to the trinity belief, he is also god.
Also, according to the bible, there were many sons of god. So don't quote me on my quote above of 'the' son of god. He might only be referred to as a son of god.

Jesus had to be sinless, per the story, or he could not save all humanity. And only a perfect being can be sinless, which is god, supposedly.

 

That just shows that most Christians are clueless about their religion. According to the Bible, the cornerstone of Christianity is that Jesus died and was resurrected.

1 Corinthians 15:1-58 = https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1corinthians15:1-58&version=ERV;CEB;CEV;TLB;NKJV

 

Was sinless. To be sinless, he had to be god. For man can not be sinless.

 

No kidding. Every time I heard the words "God so loved the world that he gave his only son",

I would think, no he loaned his son. And his son died. So what? He was god and came back to life in three days! And his only son? Can't god have another one?

 

I knew a woman who argued that there are three distinct gods referenced in the bible [ignoring the holy spirit and jesus]

Allah
Yahweh
Jehovah

 

By YOUR own admission above Jesus was MORE than a mortal ergo he would NOT have been tempted to "sin" because he was NOT mortal.

Yet another of the THOUSANDS of asinine CONTRADICTIONS in Christianity.

 

The biblical god ADMITS that other gods exist in the 1st Commandment and there are a couple of additional references to the existence of other gods that I cannot recall right now.

 

When we see that absolutely every culture has had a belief in deity, we must assume that there is something to it. That in no way proves what that "something" is. The most and least we can have is an openness as to what existence might reveal to us. Maintaining adamantly that one particular religious view is the correct one should, by now, be obviously erroneous. Maintaining there is nothing at all to such possibilities is also an error.

 

It was the suffering of Jesus until he died. He suffered like anyone who dies cruelly and painfully. Jesus didn't know that God will bring him back to life.

 

If by "something" - you are referring to "God" - I don't think this assumption is valid. I agree that it is "Something" though .. looking at the similarities in Cave Paintings across continents in 0-2000 BC - similar creation stories - "Dudes from the sky came down" - Aliens would be one possible explanation ... other than God. Collective Consciousness ? .. we could come up with other possibilities .. point being that "God is not the only possible explanation"

Agree with the "One religious view" part - even if God exists .. doesn't mean He allowed Christians to speak on Her behalf.

My support for "God exists" claim is based more on observations within the natural world - the universe - and nature of existence - "I Drink therefor I Am"

First thing to note is that if we assume 1) time is infinite - and 2) no intervention by God - Existence is Eternal.
Proof - you are made of Matter and Energy - .. somehow this matter/energy - assumed a configuration whereby it opened its eyes and knew it existed - "I think therefor I am"

This is the one and only thing you know for sure

So prior to your existence - if there was such a time - there was a finite probability that matter/energy - would come together in said configuration.. by 1) in an infinite amount of time - all finite probabilities will occur - an infinite number of times.

Existence is Eternal.

Part 2 - at some point this energy/matter knew it existed - OK - Great - awareness is one thing.... manifesting that awareness into physical reality is quite another - and on what level. Perhaps a rock is aware .. but just can't do much with that awareness ... just sit and observe.

A Tree on the other hand - something that is alive - has a limited ability -the ability to heal itself and so on. You on the other hand have quite amazing abilities .. for example -- look down at the pinky on your right hand ... now wiggle it.

Now explain to me how you did that - A thought was manifested into physical reality - but - how did this happen the first time ? "Spooky Action at a Distance"

So you have the ability - through force of will - to manifest a thought into physical reality. There are however restrictions on this ability .your abilities are confined to your own body for the most part.

Now if - through force of will you could manipulate matter/energy - physical reality - outside your body .. now that would be something.

My claim is that this would represent "God-Like" powers. - This ability too could be limited - some Gods having more power than others.

but - if you look up into the sky - far away from the lights of the city on a clear dark night - it looks like a neural network. perhaps the Galaxy is "God" .. or Perhaps the Universe itself.

If this were the case - God would not have to be able to use force of will to manipulate matter/energy/physical reality - outside itself .. just within itself .. like you are able to do .. but with greater ability - more control.

 

Not accurate at all!

Atheism is as old as written history.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...t-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion

 

I fail to see how you jump from me referring to Jesus as more than a mere man to an immortal. Adam (from the earth) was a man. Jesus also from the earth, thus a man. The difference being is that all men (with the exception of Adam) are the progeny of other men. Jesus was not the progeny of other men, thus the second Adam.

 

You just did it AGAIN!

If Jesus was NOT the progeny of other men then whose progeny was he?

Being the progeny of a DEITY makes him NOT a "mere mortal" therefore he cannot have been tempted by sin.

 

That’s simple: The Son of God. Adam was not the progeny of another man and yet he sinned.

 

By YOUR own ADMISSION Jesus was the "Son of God" THEREFORE that makes him INCAPABLE of sinning thereby making the entire premise that he "resisted" temptation NULL and VOID!

 

It is somewhat amusing to see people who do not believe in 'God' trying to prove what 'God' is and is not capable of.
Those of us who resist the temptation to impose limited, human terms on the inscrutably infinite find both sides of this argument to be futile.

 

You’ve repeated this claim a few times but have failed to give any reasoning behind it other than saying he was the son of God. That sorta logic is the same as saying, when asked: Why? Because.

 

The Ineffable Paradox is always amusing.

One is required to "know God" in order to be "saved" but then they argue that their imaginary God is "unknowable".

 

Those are YOUR claims about Jesus, not mine!

I am just pointing out the GLARING fallacy that is the result of YOUR claims.

 

Saying “Because” isn’t exactly pointing out any fallacy.
My claim is that Jesus isn’t (nor was) God. The claim that he is (which is your claim) defies logic.

I can support my claim with but one example. If Jesus was God, who raised him from the dead?

 

Let's RECAP your FALLACIES in your own words in Red.

Your allegation #1.

Your allegation #2.

Your allegation #3.

Your allegation #4.

My QUESTION based upon YOUR allegations above.

Your allegation #5.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

You STIPULATED in YOUR allegations above that Jesus was NOT a "mere mortal" but INSTEAD he was the "Son of God".

NOWHERE did I make any such claim so kindly REFRAIN from IMPOSING your ILLOGIC onto others.

I EXPOSED the FALLACY of your BOGUS allegations since by YOUR own admission Jesus was NOT a "mere mortal" and THEREFORE would NOT have been susceptible to temptation.

Once AGAIN your OWN fallacious allegations are EXPOSED because NOWHERE have I claimed that Jesus was an imaginary "god".

It is YOUR claim that Jesus was the "Son of God" and therefore would have had the POWERS of a DEMIGOD and been able to "raise" himself from the ILLUSION of being dead.

The CONTRADICTIONS in your beliefs are always so glaringly obvious.