Monuments To The Confederacy

That's exactly what it is it's not about slavery or the Civil War or any of this bologna it's about destroying American history.

 

No, I am right. It is what is. Byrd was not lynched and yet you're silent on the massive wave of Black on White ( and everybody else) crime.

 

Silent because that's not the subject of the thread. Just as I thought, you have no point.

 

Yes, for a hate crime, which is what lynching is.

 

Yeah, I do have a point and that is you were INCORRECT on your statement that Byrd was lynched. PERIOD. Your response is not even a first graders attempt at a deflection.

 

As usual the value of this post is getting lost in bickering over a detail or a definition. Very simply, there were about 4000 racial and probably unjustified murders (lynchings) from 1870 to the present. Maybe it is time to acknowledge the truth that our nation is not perfect, that it is not as Christian as we would like to believe, that it is time to recognize the ugly problem and and work to correct it and make our country better.

Also, would you be proud or embarrassed to know that one of your ancestors helped with one of those lynchings or just watched and did nothing?

 

Thank you

 

I would say lynching is likely capital murder. Nothing carries a heavier sentence then capital murder. So they should have been charged with capital murder I'm not sure if they were or not. Versus hate crime nonsense.

Edit; one of these 3 *******s was executed in 2011 one of them is one death row and the third was spared death and is eligible for parole in 2038 for some reason.

 

white soupremacy as an idea probably only exists in a handful of trailer parks in a few backwood areas.

It isn't an issue at least not right now. With identity politics rearing its ugly head once again I do believe white supremacy will become more popular because white supremacy is identity politics.

 

No I don't wonder why there is an ugly underbelly by which I assume you mean racism because there isn't.

 

I’m certainly not ashamed of my southern heritage

My family fought for the Confereracy and I have nothing bad to say about rhem

liberal historians have rewritten history to make Confederates seem the same as nazis

Thats really stupid but a lot of people believe it

So now I am quietly proud rather than defiently and openly pro Dixie

 

No it is not. Look up the definition. Why did the NAACP even define it as needing more than 5 people to be a lynching? Utter silence from you. Case closed.

 

Are you equating the Confederate States and the citizens of those States with Nazi's? You do realize that slavery in the United States have been legal for almost 100 years before the Confederacy? That it was legal in the United States all through the Civil War and even after it ended. The monuments in the South are not to slavery, learn the difference and why the war was fought.

 

Amazing how no one ever references the tarriffs on imports from England the union states forced on the southern states.

The statue should be voted on democratically, whatever that county wants to do with it is fine. Much of these were erected during the civil rights movement, so the historical value could be considered limited, but I don’t think they should be destroyed. My personal opinion is that they belong in a museum.

 

A museum would indeed be a good place. I like the idea of national parks near where battles were fought.

They're out of sight, but would serve as a chilling reminder for anyone who comes out or stumbles upon them.

Very likely if they're in the middle of nowhere that ANTIFA would cut them down though

 

Not sure but I think one ratted out the other 2

 

I don't think the equation was with fascism but with the fact that Germany lost. Other that the US, what country celebrates (?) defeat? Why are you defending slavery? Slavery was the most political issue for the war.

 

Where do you think I defended slavery? And Lincoln didn't start the Civil War to end slavery he started it to keep those slave state in the Union WITH their slavery intact along with the three slave states that did not secede. The Southern states were invaded by a foreign government and the sons of those states fought to defend the state from that invasion and the destruction of the state that ensued. That is what the monuments are about. Have you ever been to Civil War battlegrounds and seen all the monuments?

 

No one believes America was built by "white men alone". What a foolish statement.

But conservatives find it to be a farce that people like Cesar Chavez have more pages devoted to them in American textbooks than George Washington. Liberalism has jumped the shark.

 

I wear the Confederate flag because I am proud of my heritage!


And I like to make posts proving those good old boys were racists and slave owners! Yeeeee-haaaaawwwww! That's my proud heritage!

 

The North invaded the South to start the war? Southern states didn't secede and then fire on Ft. Sumter? Lincoln said before elected that the US could not be half free, half slave. The war was about slavery. The monuments are to men that formed their own country and lost a war. They fought the war to preserve their way of life....which included slavery.

 

Of the states which seceded, five of them issued declarations of the causes of their succession.

In those five declarations, they mention slavery no less than 83 times!

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Some seriously sick propagandists have started this revisionist bullshit that slavery wasn't the main cause of secession. They have filled the heads of parroting rubes with lies. You have to be profoundly stupid to think it wasn't about slavery.

Seriously stupid.

Once again the propaganda mills have absolutely depended on the total ignorance of the rubes in order to pass off complete bullshit.

 

The North invaded the South and the South and the Southerns defended themselves and Lincoln did not invade the South to end slavery he invaded to bring those states back into the Union with the other slave states that did not secede. And no the Southern states did not secede and then fire on Ft. Sumter. They seceded and demand foreign forces leave it's territory and in the middle of negotiations the Union commander reinforced the fort for a blockade, an act of war. For those 5 years many died defending their states and thus the monuments to them and the people of the South who suffered the destruction of their homes and property.

 

Unless something decisive is done, I again ask, What is to stop this agitation before the great and final object at which it aims--the abolition of slavery in the States--is consummated? Is it, then, not certain that if something is not done to arrest it, the South will be forced to choose between abolition and secession?"

- John C. Calhoun, March 4, 1850

John C. Calhoun on the Clay Compromise Measures - 1850

 

So what? Lincoln sent troops to invade and force them with their slavery back into the Union, where slavery was legal, with the three that did not secede.