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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hyperbole much? You evidently think that insurance with high deductibles that no one can pay is the same as health care and people are still avoiding the doctor because of the cost. You don't even know how the system works without insurance.

    One thing you really don't understand, what a Patriot is.
     
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    Sure we do. A patriot is a person who thinks they are exceptional in their devotion to the United States. That of course requires the delusion that anyone who disagrees with them is anti American.
     
  3. Mr_Truth

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    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/02/20/3625237/medicaid-expansion-job-creation/



    States That Accepted Obamacare’s Medicaid Expansion Are Creating More Jobs



    States that agreed to expand the eligibility requirements for their Medicaid programs under Obamacare are seeing “substantially faster growth” in job creation than states that have resisted that provision of the law, according to a new report.
    The drafters of the Affordable Care Act intended Medicaid expansion to be implemented across the country, but the Supreme Court ruled that it should be optional, giving GOP-led states an opportunity to resist the policy. Fifteen states have refused expansion, and an additional seven are considering expanding Medicaid but haven’t yet followed through, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
    The new study, published by the market trend research group FitchRatings, found that Medicaid expansion states experienced 30 percent faster growth in health sector jobs in 2014, compared to the states that haven’t accepted the expansion.
    “The gains in healthcare jobs suggest that ACA expansion is generally positive for that sector’s employment profile,” the report concluded, adding that there’s not yet enough data on the law’s overall impact on other budget issues.
    Officials in states across the country have made the economic case for Medicaid expansion. Multiple previous studies have projected that agreeing to accept the expansion could help states create thousands of new jobs in the health care sector to accommodate their growing populations of insured residents.
    Plus, since the government will pay up to 90 percent of the tab for the policy over the next five years, states that reject the provision are losing out on that money. Texas, for instance, will forfeit an estimated $9.2 billion in federal funds by 2022 if it continues to refuse to expand its public insurance program. The hospitals in those states are also losing money as a result of cuts that were intended to be offset by the revenue from the expansion, which has forced some of them to close.
    In a joint report released by the Urban Institute and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation last summer, the health policy groups concluded that continuing to resist Medicaid expansion would “lessen economic activity and job growth” in GOP-controlled states.
    Medicaid expansion has been one of the most successful provisions of the health reform law as it has extended coverage to low-income people who were previously locked out of affordable insurance. States that expanded their programs saw much bigger drops in their rate of uninsured residents — and if the entire country had accepted the expansion, the national uninsurance rate would be two percentage points lower, according to an analysis from the New York Times.
    In addition to job creation, research has documented several other potential benefits resulting from extending insurance to additional low-income people — everything from ensuring healthier babies, to helping kids stay in school, to increasing household incomes.
    Republican lawmakers eager to push forward with their economic agenda, which is largely predicated upon figuring out how to create more jobs, typically don’t focus on the economic aspects of Medicaid expansion. Instead, they have emphasized what they see as the job-creating potential of a different polarizing policy issue: the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.







    Obamacare:

    Saving lives every day
    Creating jobs
    Saving money


    That's TRUE patriotism.
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    and yet you accuse my sources of being biased...what duplicity
     
  5. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    LOL!

    READ the link and see its source which includes Fitch:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitch_Ratings


    Hardly, a group with a leftist ideology.



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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    OMG!! Now we're relying upon Wiki........................ did you go to the site where you can *ahem* correct certain information?
     
  8. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your continued attention to this thread as the latest posts gets other people's attention to the TRUTH I discuss in it.

    The reader will notice, of course, that the right wing critic tries but fails to impeach the source of the TRUTH I posted.

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    ... and corrected it.


    No big deal - I worked in the tax field for 20 years and saw this happen just about every year. Last year it was the state who sent me the wrong form but that was cleared up in less than one day.


    So go on laughing as the joke is on you. ;)
     
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    ahhhhhhh, so you're not only a licensed federal lawyer, you are now qualified to lead this country, financially..........................remind me never to use your services
     
  10. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    ^ thank you for you continued attention as it draws other people's attention as well


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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/24/kynect_n_6743126.html?utm_hp_ref=politics



    A new Gallup survey has found that the two states with the most dramatic drop in their respective rates of uninsured are Kentucky and Arkansas, both deeply red in presidential years.

    The Kentucky rate plummeted from 20.4 to 9.8 percent, while the Arkansas rate dropped from 22.5 to 11.4 percent, Gallup found.

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    In Kentucky, the state's Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, has been steadfastly opposed to the health care law that enabled its rate of uninsured to be cut in half over the past year. McConnell has repeatedly called for Obamacare to be repealed "root and branch," while Congress has voted scores of times to rescind it. It remains law.

    Arkansas overcame some GOP opposition and accepted an expansion of Medicaid authorized by the Affordable Care Act, contributing significantly to the halving of its own uninsured population.

    Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, a Democrat, has leaned into Obamacare rather than grudgingly implementing it. The state version is known as Kynect, a local branding that allowed residents who oppose Obama to take advantage of his health care reform without swallowing their pride.

    In 2013, HuffPost's Jason Cherkis observed a scene at a Kentucky job fair that would later be retold in a speech by President Barack Obama:

    A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state’s health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.
    The man is impressed. "This beats Obamacare I hope," he mutters to one of the workers.
    “Do I burst his bubble?” wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation.
    Red states that did not expand Medicaid or embrace a state-run exchange continue to have brutally high rates of uninsured. All 10 of the states with the highest uninsured rates have refused to carry out those two key parts of Obamacare.

    "States that have implemented two of the law's core mechanisms -- Medicaid expansion and state health exchanges -- are seeing a substantially larger drop in the uninsured rate than states that did not take both of these actions," Gallup announced. "Consequently, the gap in uninsured rates that existed between these two groups in 2013 nearly doubled in 2014."






    ACA continues to work for society's good.
     
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    Doesn't mean they can afford the 13K deductible or the copays so essentially, unless more working Americans were put on Medicaid, they really have no insurance.
     
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    on the contrary, more often than not having Medicaid means not having copay
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, forcing more working Americans to suck on the teat of government, how noble.
     
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    ... sorta like big corporations who would not exist if it were not for government handouts every year.
     
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    see, I'm more than a little familiar with KY. All of those recent enrollments aren't really enrollments. they are applications for medicare, you know, the free stuff where they don't pay for anything. Since you are not a taxpayer (having admitted to being on the dole for many years) they are not contributors, but takers.

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    It is called 'fundamentally changing the way America works', the new progressive mantra.
     
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    ACA continues to save money & lives.
     
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    that's a lie. The deficit hasn't been reduced by no 9 billion or even one million. Another joke, Eh, mr truth?
     
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    It's all smoke and mirrors.

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    Another pipe dream by the left.
     
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    deficits reduced, money & lives saved = your repeated attacks and failure to disprove the truths I have posted show your concession that ACA is a great success
     
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    you have been disingenuous at best and very misleading at worst.
    The only success you are demonstrating is that the only people who are using it are the moochers. Those who are paying for their own Obie care package cannot use it. another worthless attempt to validate theft and conversion.
    Again, why should I pay for your health care? Don't come back with the two wrongs make another wrong argument. It is worthless as the tripe you type
     
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    ''moochers''


    Again with the attacks.

    Fortune 500 company employees have had their medical insurance and care costs subsidized by taxpayers for decades.

    Israel has had its costs also paid for by USA tax payers.

    Today, Iraq and Afghanistan's costs are financed by USA tax payers.




    All of these are the real moochers because none of them paid the taxes that everybody else did with the blessings of the far right who hate to see poor Americans suffer from lack of coverage.



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    Oh by the way, I'm still waiting for "proof" that I accused anyone here of racism for their opposition to health care for poor Americans.
     
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    Speaking of proof, do you have links to your ridiculous claims?

    I mean besides leftwing propaganda sites.

    No, of course you don't... because they're not true.
     
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    "...two wrongs make another wrong argument..." So because these bad people are doing bad things, you want on the "gravy train"
    2+2 is anything but 4
     
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    Why did they sign up? Perhaps because they didn't want to be subject to a fine, possible IRS audit and or dealing with the IRS. How much are these sign-ups costing the tax payer in subsidies and tax credits? How many still can't afford coverage? Will these policies pay for their medical costs or will the deductible and out-pocket require they pay for their care PLUS the premiums? I doubt you or anyone, including the Fed. Gov. can answer that question. One thing is sure, as the CBO now predicts, the cost of insurance for the average family is not decreasing as initially predicted and the overall cost of PPACA is no longer determined to be deficit neutral. And, the cost to taxpayers will not go down as any savings by fewer emergency room visits by the uninsured has been doubled plus by premium subsidies and tax credits. Plus we still have millions of uninsured.
     
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