MS workers protest bid to build Pentagon's $10bn AI warfare system

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    To be accurate, I stated that the Bush administration and the US military commanded by the My Pet Goat fan did nothing to prevent or stop 9/11. Why aren't YOU complaining about that? Are you ok with it? It sure sounds to me like you are.

    That's incorrect, the historical account shows they had quite a bit of advance intelligence on that which I have noted.

    That's incorrect, I never posted any such thing. Please quote where I posted that.

    Another false claim, that's 3 in one post.

    Can you? You're obviously inventing things I posted that I never did. Put your forked tongue back in your face.
     
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    If it's for use by the US military, the record shows they can't be trusted to put it to proper use, especially given the fake permanent war on terror. And that is why MS/Google workers object to the project. And I highly commend them for taking a stand.

    You are peddling a fallacy YOU invented.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet, you can come with no specific action they could take with all that advance intelligence. Hind sight is wonderful. You must be able to come up with something.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    That's incorrect again. I keep on saying they were required to do their job and you keep asking me the same question expecting a different answer. Doing NOTHING is NOT part of the job description. Neither is given the advance intelligence, doing their best to ensure the entire eastern corridor of the US was made nearly completely defenseless on 9/11.

    I did note YOU avoided my questions. Are you terrified to answer?
     
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    I know what you stated and presented it accurately. You complained about the military not stopping the 9/11, without being able to express how they could have, and then complain about the methods used to prevent subsequent attacks without being able to describe measures which you support which would have.

    When you can decide what is your position and solutions let me know.
     
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    Cite me an instance on the record of the US military not using AI "properly".
     
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    Their job is not to catch terrorists or prevent terrorism in the US. That falls mostly on the FBI and homeland security. What you fail to mention, either unintentionally or intentionally, is that there was nothing the military could do, either legally or realistically. I suggested several options and you failed to select one of them or come up with your own. Your only capability is to complain about what other people have or have not done.

    I would appreciate it, if you would show me where this was assigned as the military's mission.
     
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    Hmm... Your distrust duly noted. I would point out that their, and your, outrage is duly noted. Perhaps the nice folks at DARPA will limit sharing their industry shaking development in AI with those organization going forward. I suppose if the nice folks at MS/Google aren't interested in supporting US defense, certainly they should benefit as a part of it. Got it.
     
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    Yer the "bed wetter" - worried about the boogeyman around every corner - begging to give up the essential liberty and freedoms that made this nation great because you think there is some large army massing at our borders.
     
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    Obviously not, you posted claims I never made and failed to quote these claims you invented.

    My position on the issues being discussed have been posted. That you don't understand them and instead invent things I never said is YOUR problem. When and if I have solutions for the US military I will be sure to present it to them only in return for $1/2 trillion in compensation. You're not going to pay me so I have no incentive to let you know about anything.

    The drone program used to murder innocent men, women and children, some at weddings and funerals is just one example. It uses rudimentary AI.

    You're still terrified to answer my questions eh? I don't blame you, the answers would likely expose your obvious complicity via approval that they "did their job".
     
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    So you believe their job to do nothing to defend the US when under attack, not even to defend the Pentagon, their headquarters?

    You are not qualified to suggest anything, especially given that you believe doing nothing is an option.

    If that's my "only" capability, it's far more than any you have shown. At least I'm vocal about it, all you're doing is being an apologist, inventing all sorts of excuses for their gross criminal failure to defend the US on 9/11.
     
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    Congratulations on your discovery.
     
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    So, we should alert DARPA that MS/Google will no longer be on the distro... right?
     
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    Like what AI? Autopilot mode ROFLMAO!
     
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    Who is "we" and wtf are you talking about anyway? Alert whomever you want to alert, the article stands whatever drivel you insist on posting.
     
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    Nothing you would understand obviously.
     
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    So, employees at MS/Google will be demanding that their orgs not support the defense industry. You agree, right? So, the obvious cost of your temper tantrum is losing out on the research from DARPA as they are the ones developing the AI that MS/Google seem to want to both profit from but still exclude from government's use. Pull the plug. No more sharing of national intellectual property to MS/Google. Put them on the exclusion lists. See how long those employee tantrums last...
     
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    Nothing you can list obviously, trying to make things up around here will get you called on it.
     
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    What do you think they could have done. Shoot down an airliner full of passengers over a populated area? Even, if they had the time to react, it was not going to happen. You are absolutely clueless.
     
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    It doesn't say anything quite like that in the article but feel free to add whatever you believe you can extract from the article whether it's true or not.

    The rest of your post is the same kind of red herring not worth commenting on.
     
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    Then you need to turn yourself in for the endless things you invent about me.
     
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    I can only address what you post and hope to get a reasoned civil response. Try it.

    What AI are you talking about that is used in our drones?
     
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    That response strongly implies that's a yes to both questions. You believe they should have done nothing and you're ok with that. Talk about absolutely clueless.

    As for your question, what is it you didn't understand about that I'm not qualified to design or even suggest the US military defense system's protocol in such a situation that was already in place well before 9/11 and plan of action based on the intelligence received on multiple occasions well before 9/11? And neither are you of course.
     
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    No translation required. You have no response. Got it. When you figure out that MS/Google are getting their best intellectual property from DARPA.... It's hard to argue with the concept that turning that off will rapidly make MS/Goog uncompetitive in the AI market. But hey, the world is all about free will and choices. I care not if they shoot off their own foot.
     
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    Perhaps you need to actually quote me rather than invent things I posted that I never did. That would go a long way toward civility.

    Perhaps you should follow your own suggestion.

    https://dronelife.com/2018/07/06/12-ways-ai-is-shaping-the-drone-industry/

    (see especially #5)
     

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