New York mayor's job is to 'defend Israel ' !

I was actually referring to psychological and physical suffering as a result of over 60 years of occupation and Israeli extremist criminality. Suffering in that context, is the perfect description.

 

Remember when Obama talked ill of Bibi to Sarkozy mistakingly thinking that the mics had been turned off?.

Whoops!

 

For some, this range doesn't extend beyond the rigid verse-chorus-verse structure and Western notion of melody/harmony counterpoint. Anything beyond the Beatles and Beach Boys is regarded as too radical and challenging.

 

So according to you the occupation started in 1948, not in 1967, according to you Israel's existence is occupation and Israel has no right to exist, right? Why am I not surprised extremist fringe thinks like that?


That being said I actually appreciate your post as it demonstrates quite clearly that when Israel-hate mob speaks about occupation, it is not about settlements, the West Bank or Gaza, they are talking about the occupation of Haifa and Tel Aviv.

 

That's a wonderful little lie oft repeated. WTF has Israel ever done for us?

 

Nothing for the average Joe but lots for the CEO's of multinational corporations' and the political class they represent, apparently.

 

Every US politician knows that whoever racks up the highest campaign money wins elections. And AIPAC is usually the richest campaign donor, the AIPAC always donates, if not to your campaign then to your opponent's, this is its purpose.

 

pointing the finger. why not just admit it was always redundant instead of trying to blame someone else?

white america never had a soul and so could and never will create good music, thats just a fact of life.

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you dont even know Israel so how could you know what he did?

 

It did not level Bagdad when attacked by Saddam's scads, it did not level Beirut when attacked by Hezbollah's Katyushas, it did not level Gaza when attacked by Hamas Kassams...Israel repeatedly bent over backward to accommodate American interests in the region, often at the expense of their own interests and with a great risk to the life of their citizenry/troops... Never mind extensive military and intelligence cooperation beneficial to both countries...but you wouldn't know about that, it's classified and not publicized so simpletons usually don't realize that it still takes place.

 

There is a lot of truth to that, well, the last sentence at least. I saw with my own eyes, having visited Lebanon, the extensive damage to the country.

 

True, and we both know it could have been (and imo should have been) much worse if it was not for the US restraining Israel and making it fight with one hand tied behind its back, much like the US itself has been fighting all its wars after WWII. The claim that Israel does not do anything for the US is completely absurd given that regional superpower Israel regularly takes orders from Washington, not from Tel Aviv.

 

Indeed. I don't understand how anybody can think it's the reverse, frankly.

 

Well, some Israel haters think Israel takes orders from Washington, others are convinced Washington takes orders from Tel Aviv, both camps are the bestest friends and see absolutely no contradiction in their views...There truly is no wrong way to hate Israel

 

more sad racism from you.

 

The more likely case is it's simpler than that and more to do with misconceptions. Hatred of Israeli extremism is understandable, although I accept that the misconception by some that it's the latter of your two propositions above, is often motivated by an antisemitic hatred of Jews.

 

Oh, OK. You've killed a bunch of people for us and helped stir up the hornets' nest of enemies we enjoy today.

Thanks.

 

Case in point, the person goes from claiming that "Israel does not do anything for us" to claiming that "Israel has killed a bunch of people for us" half an hour later and sees no contradiction in his own position....The only common denominator is the blind hatred of Israel, everything else is nothing more than feeble attempts to rationalize and justify this hatred.

PS lest we forget that the irrefutable examples I provided in my last post were the examples of the US restraining Israel, not Israel killing anyone on US orders. But facts can't possibly compete with blind overwhelming hatred.

 

Your state is a financial drain on my country and a source of hostility from other countries, as well as a wrongfully created state that has taken land and autonomy away from uncounted people. It's also a theocratic and ethnocentric state that tries very hard to pretend otherwise. That's not blind hatred - it's strong dislike based on the reality of the situation.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel should not exist. Palestine, yes, and the Jews and the Zionists can share in that state provided that the Palestinians will permit it.

 

Right on brother BoRAT.....

Israel, since it's inception has fought shoulder to shoulder with the US in every conflict we have been involved in. Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq I, Afghanistan, and Iraq II.......What????? You mean they have never sent one soldier to any US led coalition war... LOL... With friends like these, who needs enemies? Many of their slimy agents like (Fieth, Perle, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Zakheim, Emmanuel and many more) have oozed their way into our government at all levels and have been quite instrumental in getting us into several idiotic wars, but not one drop of Israeli blood has been spilled....

I wonder how people would like it if the Mayor of New York said that it was his job to defend Korea, France, UK, Russia or any other foreign government? The mayor of New York is elected to represent those who live in the five boroughs not to "defend Israel or any other pissant country...Cheers

 

Lest we forget that Japan, South Korea, Germany, France and Canada in many cases, lots of other states did not send troops either and are considered valuable allies, lest we forget that the US was literally begging Israel not to retaliate to Saddam's scud missile attacks, lest we forget that the reason for Israel's non-participation are political (i.e. non-recognition and hostility in the Muslim world), not Israel's unwillingness to contribute.

But you knew all that already, did not you, the US refuses to include Israel into a coalition, heck it even asks Israel not to defend itself cause it will automatically drive arab/muslim countries out of that coalition and your ilk then turns around and accuses Israel of unwillingness to contribute. Do you think you are fooling anyone?

 

Don't you think other factors, i.e. troops in Europe, Japan, South Korea, how about incompetent corrupt congress in the pocket of big business etc are the cause of US financial drain, don't you think American troops in Saudi Arabia and the US support of dictators and brutal regimes all over the world are the source of the hostility? Israel plays a tiny role if any in all this.


PS I am not criticizing the US domestic or foreign policy in any way shape or form, I am just stating the obvious, your anti-Israel hatred is so blinding that you don't see a log in your own eye.

 

Should the US exist then? Why don't you move back to wherever your ancestors came from? After all Israel was created by the United Nations and the land of Israel was stolen from the jews 2,000 years ago. Under what authority was the US (or Canada, Australia, South America etc) created and what claim do the Europeans (or African Americans for that matter) have for the land?

Put your money where you mouth is and gtf out of South Dakota, go back to where you came from LOL

 

Using that rationale few countries should exist as most were stolen in conflict and war

 

Well we all know from your rabid conspiratorial classical anti-Semitic canards wrapped in a thin veil of anti-Zionism that that is absolutely not the case.

As well they should considering that they're surrounded by genocidal Islamic imperialist maniacs.

Israel is a liberal democracy the only fascism in this equation is that of Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, etc. as well as the Arab League, Iran, and the entirety of the OIC.

 

The existence of those enemies has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of Israel or U.S. foreign policy and everything to do with Islamic Imperialist expansionism which has plagued the United States since our founding and has plagued the world since Mohammad had a schizophrenic audio delusion and though he talked to god.