Obama says Vietnam was a misunderstanding, >>mod edit<<

Would you care to tell me what that has to do with using the old testament. I love when you get obstinate and can't admit a mistake.

I still have no clue why you post.

 

Obama is an idiot who wasn't even around during Nam. Obama is the great apologist for anyone and everyone who has and ever will attack this nation. He and Jane Fonda would have produced great terrorist children.

 

Yes an invasion would me that we were there to take over the country and make them ours. Of course that was not the case we were attempting to prevent a takeover by and brutal communist dictator and ensure the liberty and freedom and economic prosperity that existed and was growing. Can you give me any reasons it was better the way it ended?

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How about the desire and ability and proscribed materials hidden away to rearm with them?

 

How would a Saddam still in power left to his own devices, rearmed to the teeth with WMD and even more advanced and more deadly WMD aiding and abetting the terrorist who want to kill us been better?

Because Obama blew the status of forces agreement and pulled out but even so has not come close to the numbers Saddam slaughtered but may well get there.

Agree it should have been done there but the necessity to do so only grew afterwards as two Presidents and several Congresses concluded.

 

sure, but I thought youd be smarter than this....

The old testament is the jewish bible, not the christian bible.

The new testament is the christian bible.

PS Everything I said is completely true, you atheists should prolly focus on things you know about.

 

We were not there to win, if were had been we would have marched north and ended it, the suffering and deaths made many people very rich, read more.

 

Not to your face..... but they do....

 

Which could have put us at war with China. We were there to prop up the SVN government and military until they could fend for themselves and had we been able to stop the low of arms and materials through Thialand and Cambodia we might well have done so or if Johnson had allowed the Air Force to do it's job.

As in all armed conflict your point being what?

 

In my experience...it's kind of a yes and no.

When my family all flew to Istanbul for my wedding to a Sunni woman...my inlaws insisted my family stay with them, and not in a Hotel.

While we were all there, the inlaws were very hospitable, and always seems to be polite.

After we got back...and developed the photos of the whole thing.....in several photos we caught people who were very nice at the time taking the opportunity when our backs were turned to give us the stink eye, or roll their eyes at us.

Middle eastern hospitality can be every bit as disengenuine southern hospitality in this country, or that sardonic British politeness.

 

I think there was just too much confusion.

[video=youtube;XK3rTUgoQD4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK3rTUgoQD4[/video]

 

He did not have WMD's. His saber rattling shtick was to scare off the Iranians. The whole reason he was finicky about UN weapons inspectors poking around in his (*)(*)(*)(*) was because he wanted Iran to think he had WMD's so they wouldn't get into another war with him that he might lose.

Are you kidding? There was a religious civil war int he early-mid 2000's that resulted in several hundred thousand Shia and Sunni dying at each others hands in a conflict that could potentially reignite at any time now. Saddam was brutal (*)(*)(*)(*)head, but at least he kept a lid on that retardedation.

 

And there are quit a few christian sects that believe all the others are wrong and the members of other sections will go to hell/purgatory. Catholics and protestants tore Europe apart for about 300 years because of that...

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When did Vietnam attack America?

 

Actually he did, and we never accounted for all the ones we knew he had. I ask you again

How would a Saddam still in power left to his own devices, rearmed to the teeth with WMD and even more advanced and more deadly WMD aiding and abetting the terrorist who want to kill us been better? The limited quantity we knew he had possessed, the ones UNSCOM was looking for were a minor issue. It was his capability and desire to produce more and more deadly WMD in order to rearm himself.

He wasn't rattling sabers when he used WMD against his own people and it would't have been had he equipped our enemies with them.

The whole reason he was finicky was because he had not accounted for the WMD UNSCOM had cataloged previously but were not accounted for and for the proscribed items he was hidding from them.

You can trust I am dead serious.

Yes mass summary executions and using WMD to kill thousands of your own citizens can keep a lid on things.

Two administrations and two separate Congresses stated that Saddam would always be a WMD threat as long as he was in power, so what was your solution to get him out of power?

 

We know the sources M16 and the CIA had were hogwash now and it was a scam. The WMD's turned out to be a stockpile of deteriorated mustard gas shells.

As for what to do to get him out of power? Wait for him to die would have been a good idea there.

If we should have gone after any tyrannical regime in 2003 it should have been North Korea. The Kim family is 100 times worse than the Hussein's, and back then they didn't have nukes yet. Now that they do that ship has (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sailed.

 

God, did you think we were doing anything else?

 

Why the virtually identical threads?

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...nist-crack-pipe-yet-again.html#post1062919254

As I posted in the other thread,

He joined in a group of Vietnamese nationalists in Paris whose leaders were Phan Chu Trinh and Phan V&#259;n Tr&#432;&#7901;ng, bearing a new name Nguy&#7877;n Ái Qu&#7889;c (“Nguy&#7877;n the Patriot”). Following World War I, the group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the Versailles peace talks, but was ignored.[11] Citing the language and the spirit of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, they expected U.S. President Woodrow Wilson to help remove the French colonial rule from Vietnam and ensure the formation of a new, nationalist government. Although they were unable to obtain consideration at Versailles, the failure further radicalized Nguy&#7877;n, while also making him a symbol of the anti-colonial movement at home in Vietnam.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

Obama's reference was historically accurate.

 

You really swallowed all those lies. UN inspectors were still there and not going anywhere. It was obvious that Saddam let any WMDs go to rot but he certainly didn't want Iran to know. Too bad that we didn't let the inspectors and sanctions work. He never helped Al Qaeda. He had a view that Palestine terrorists are right. So do may Arab countries. When was the last time that we invaded Saudi Arabia?

 

You must be the atheist. Ask any Christian what the bible includes? Of course the Jewish Torah would not have the new testament.

 

If you are referring to the movement of materials and men down the Ho Chi Minh trails I believe you are referring to Laos, as actually , most of the Ho Chi Minh trails run through south eastern Laos before going into South Vietnam.

 

But, you see, invading the North would have put a quick end to the conflict. No one in the government wanted that. The arms manufacturers didn't want that. What was wanted, what we got, was an Orwellian drawn out limited war that lasted for years. That's what we got. War is peace, you know.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

ps get a job please

 

From your link:

The Old Testament is a Christian term for a collection of religious writings by ancient Israelites[1] that form the first section of Christian Bibles

ps please stop lying. But I do know what your job is.

 

Im not lying.

Im trying to teach you something.

The old testament is the jewish bible. look at the chart.

see how they are the exact same?

 

I always knew what the old testament was but I also knew what the Christian BIBLE was. You have been lying about the Christian Bible and Islam not using the old testament. Islam even have a sacred day to commemorate Abraham's sacrifice.

 

What does the Christian Bible have to do with the war in Vietnam?

Just wondering.