President Trump Files in Court to Intervene in Michael Cohen FBI Raid Case

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  1. ocean515

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    I was referring to the left's MSM and their dog whistle conjecture about attorney client privilege.
     
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    Says the guy who has to result to dismissing every alternative point of view as the result of the "swamp."

    Jeez
     
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    Really? Please post the SC's opinion backing your claim.
     
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    Of course we would. What would be proper about it? No one is above the law, that they can decide what is applicable evidence or not. Trump has always acted and presented himself like a mob boss, where potential evidence against him is somehow not admissible. The judge isn't that dumb as to grant that request.
     
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    I am yet to here your examples of FBI no knock raids in cases of home equity application and FEC violations. Or still researching?
     
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    Cat's already out of the bag at that point.

    You're arguing the state should have unfettered access to private information, if it's created a suffienct argument to obtain a warrant to do so. Further, it should be allowed to decide on it's own what is valid or not, and then force citizens to engage legal council to defend their rights if there is disagreement. The 4th Amendment has something to say about that.

    That's why the court is an appropriate source for remedy in this case, or any case like it.

    As to what is likely, or unlikely, to win, I haven't seen evidence from people posting here that they have the knowledge and experience to reach that conclusion. It might be their opinion, but everyone has one, so it doesn't mean much.
     
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    It isn't the Left's dog whistle. It's the laws. Try again! The Taint team has already decided if there were any discrepancies long before the raid, which has nothing to do with MSM. You people are exposing desperation the likes I haven't seen in a while. Smell something bad do you? Lol! Join the club. We've been smelling it for two years.
     
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    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/04/13/muellers-four-findings-on-trumps-obstruction-of-justice/

    The pattern of attempted obstruction of justice by the BLOTUS is clear enough for anyone to see.
     
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    Why do you think Cohen is only facing potential charges related to home equity application and FEC violations?

    Also, did you stop to consider that the rarity of the situation - getting a no knock warrant against a law office - is suggestive of the notion that Cohen is just truly ****ed? Yea.
     
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    The Taint team covered their tracks long before the raid. This is just another desperate attempt in obstructing an investigation that is already on fire.
     
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    That is the current law of the land. But access to the information and ability to use that information to convict someone in court are two separate and distinct issues.
     
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    But, but, what about Michael Cohen? :roflol:They are running around like the chickens with the heads cut off trying to figure out how to stop this investigation of Cohen, only to run into the obstruction charges pending against Trump. They have turned their own criminal circus into this .... show.
     
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    Exactly!

    The BLOTUS can't "pardon" Cohen without incurring another attempted obstruction charge and he can't fire Mueller and/or Rosenstein for the same reasons.

    At this point the BLOTUS might as well throw himself on the mercy of the court and plead diminished capacity in the hopes for leniency.

    ;)
     
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    And what is waiting for the Republican party at the end of the line politically is, do they want to string along a felon as president until 2020?
     
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    That is an excellent question.

    If there is sufficient evidence in the SC Report of Attempted Obstruction of Justice then the GOP is faced with a dilemma. If they fail to impeach on those charges then they will get hammered even harder in November.

    If they claim that the evidence does not warrant an impeachment then the GOP faces having to deal with "colluding" when it comes to attempted obstruction charges.

    That is a lose-lose no matter which way you turn it.
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    He'd probably succeed in that plea.
     
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    Clinton's attorneys including Cheryl Mills who was also her chief of staff claiming to be her attorney were allowed to screen the emails in her private server she use for her official emails before they were turned over to the FBI and then destroyed the rest.
     
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    How do they unsee what they see? And why should I believe this DOJ under Eisenstein would select an impartial panel. Let Trumps legal team review them as Clinton's team was allowed to do so.
     
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    Since when did obstruction of justice become grounds for removal from office? And even NKW Coney does not say there was an obstruction of justice and you have no evidence either.
     
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    But she screened official emails, which has nothing to do with evidence of concealment by Cohen. You are talking about two different animals. I fail to see why you continually go to the trouble to try and trip others up, when it is so blatantly obvious you are trying to do just that. What Cheryl Mills did has nothing to do with what Cohen is being accused of. It is not the same consideration. Dang boss, do you really think people are that stupid to take a bite out of that bs?
     
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    A better question would be, why in the world would anyone consider keeping a president in office who tossed the oath of this office into the ditch? Talk about throwing ethics, morals, honesty, integrity, and the faithful oath to this office under the bus. And you want to ask the question about whether a president should be removed or not. Wow boss, talk about desperately cow tailing to criminals. How do you sleep at night? D...!
     
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    The Taint Team is not related to, nor do they have discussions with, the investigative or prosecutorial team.

    And the man's name is Rosenstein. Ya know...the person appointed by Trump to be second in command at the DOJ.
     
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    Michael Cohen has done more work as a businessman than as an attorney. His business work is not privileged. He's trying to stall Avenatti's deposition of Trump, but I doubt it is going to work.

    Just as prosecutors wouldn't allow a murderer to sift through the evidence gathered and remove whatever will incriminate him, Cohen's and Trump's attorneys are not going to do the same with the materials seized by the FBI. The FBI has a process to insure privilege is maintained, while evidence is sorted- a taint team. If any document is "tainted" by privilege, the investigators will never see it, but they will see everything else.

    The judge demanded Cohen give her a list of his legal clients today, and he refused. If he didn't do legal work for his clients, but instead did business work, they do not have privilege. I'm not even sure there is evidence that Cohen does legal work for Trump, as evidenced with the "Stormy" contract, where Trump, himself, declared there was no informed consent.

    The FBI seems to be investigating his work as a businessman.

    The information gathered so far in the probe suggests "that the overwhelming majority of evidence" FBI agents seized from Cohen in a raid this week will not contain privileged attorney-client communications between Cohen and Trump but will relate to Cohen's "personal business dealings and finances," federal lawyers said in court documents.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ation-businesses-dealings-fbi-raid/515201002/

    WHOAAAAA!!!! Cohen just disclosed the third client was Sean Hannity.
     
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    I know, right? The guy reporting live on MSNBC when they broke in with that news almost swallowed his tongue on live TV....
     
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