Prove to me how Islam is not the most violent religion

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  1. Durandal

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    Buying his yacht when he is in financial need is not giving him money? It's one of the many examples available of him relying on the Saudis financially.

    It's especially said after his campaigning on being "tought" on Saudi Arabia relative to Clinton. We saw the Khashoggi that money dominates his thinking where the Saudis are concerned. He has openly stated as much.
     
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    The Troubles in Northern Ireland. Can't beat some good old fashioned Xtian on Xtian slaughter...
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You need to read up on the history leading up to WW2 and the Holocaust to see the link
     
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    To those who believe that WW1 was not a religious war here is an interesting article by a leading religious historian.

    PJ: If I myself believed that it was a crusade, that would indeed be scandalous. Actually, I am arguing that a great many people at the time saw it in those terms, which is also scandalous, in a different way.

    When we look at the history of that war, we have to be struck by the religious and supernatural language in which it was imagined, throughout the whole conflict, and at all levels of society. This was not just a case of statements put out by propaganda agencies trying to scare up recruits. Nor was the religious fervor confined to the opening weeks of the war, before people knew better.

    Throughout, and in every country, the war was presented as a holy war, a cosmic struggle. The war was fought by the world’s leading Christian nations, and on all sides, clergy and Christian leaders offered a steady stream of patriotic and militaristic rhetoric. Many spoke the language of holy war and crusade, of apocalypse and Armageddon.

    Without that religious dimension, we cannot understand why the nations went to war, nor how ordinary people imagined the conflict.
    https://religionnews.com/2014/05/22/world-war-religious-crusade-interview-philip-jenkins/
     
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    I’m well aware of the history leading up to WW2. Hitler didn’t snake his way into power by telling the German people that he was going to commit genocide, because of the Jews killed Christ.
    The rise of Nazism was predicated on real, and imagined grievances due the consequences of the defeat of Germany in WW1, and harsh ramifications inflicted on the Germans by the Treaty of Versailles. Foch, who was the supreme commander of allied forces during WW1, called the treaty nothing more than a 20 year cease fire, and he was only off by a couple months.
     
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    It's nothing to do with Jews killing Christ. The Jews were blamed for the grievances due to the consequences of WW1. There is your link - another religion was blamed
     
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    You’re grasping. WW2 was not a direct result of Hitlers persecution of the Jews. WW2 was in fact result of German rearmament, and taking back lands that they lost after ww1, not religious ideology.
     
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    Gassing Jews wasn't about religion?
    Germany, is mostly a Lutheran country. IE Christian.
     
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    Christians would prefer to lock gays in prison or mental institutions.
     
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    Talal has never lived in Arabia. His father went into exile in1950. Trump is so gushy that he makes all kinds of exaggerated claims about friends. He's a proven liar.
     
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    I did not say that WW2 is a direct result of Hitler's persecution of Jews. WW2 would not have happened if Germany did not have their grievances which was blamed on another religion. Hitler managed to convince the predominantly Christian Germany that exterminating another religious group would help their position?
     
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    Which country has been involved in more wars since WW2 than any other country.Whose arms and munitions are being used by all sides involved in the Yemen slaughter???Including our latest hi-tech anti tank weapons??
     
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    What’s so hard to grasp about the fact that WW2 was a direct result of the outcome of WW1. The Germans did not persecute the war based off of religion, nor did the allies. Don’t like that answer take it up with every historian, ever.
     
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    The US.
     
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    Wait - so apparently the Christian god was NOT around in the Middle Ages??
     
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    To prove that Islam is NOT a violent religion a Muslim would have to say "ok, I've removed all 100+ jihad-enabling verses from our family's Qur'an".
     
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    Too bad the Christian god is not real or of course he'd have come down and told us (he's had many many centuries to do that) which of the religions is actually the one true correct one, if any.
     
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    The Islamic texts say to kill those who leave Islam....that would be like if Trump proclaimed "kill all those who leave the Republican party to be Democrats or independents, etc.!" Leftists give Muhammad a pass on this, but they'd FREAK if Trump did basically the same thing, so leftists are hypocrites.
     
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    But what if I decide to be guided by science and reason and become a Modern Secular Humanist, and not believe in Jesus (I don't "talk smack about Jesus" I just don't believe in a magic invisible man who lives up in the sky)....will the all-loving Jesus let me avoid eternal torture in the "lake of fire" he set up, and is he loving enough to let me through his border wall (past "the pearly gates")?
     
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    Do you think all violent religious texts such as the Bible, Koran and Torah should be banned?
     
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    With a name like FREEDOMseeker the answer is NO. Discredited, not banned.
    That's because I'm better than Jesus is - that psycho wants to BAN all Muslims, BAN all (yes ALL!) Buddhists, BAN all Hindus, etc. from his invisible supremacist/elitist gated community in the sky, according to many many verses in his psycho Bible.
     
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    Can we at least agree that people who approvingly give their children what they call "the best book of all time" (Bible, or Qur'an, etc.), for their overall religion/belief system, that has APPROVAL OF SLAVERY in it are immoral parents compared to Modern Secular Humanists?
     
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    So for Christians and Jews who wish to state that there religons are not violent that must renounce the violent parts of their texts.
     
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    Only a person with real low self-esteem would not believe that they deserve a religion that is not a violent and hateful religion.
     
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    No, the only MSH I have ever conversed with is you.
     

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