Prove to me how Islam is not the most violent religion

Where those wars based on religious goals and objectives?

 

The majority of the soldiers and hierarchy believed, "God was on their side ...".

 

To the extent that an individual's religion influences everything they do, big and small, certainly.

 

I think it's worse than that.

Hitler could not have succeeded in what he did without the backing of his entire Christian majority country.

On the other hand, OBL found a tiny number of radicals that NOBODY wanted, and tried to design a way to get the US war machine out of Saudi Arabia, so they could move beyond the criminally despotic and dictatorial government that the Christian USA supported (and continues to support) both financially and militarily.

 

They probably did.

But the question was were those wars waged because of religious objectives, or something else?

We both know they weren't.

 

Not so much. One has to work real hard to convince themselves WW1 and WW2 were started because of religious differences.

 

And this happened recently? FOX must have missed it.

 

The point is people are not commiting attacks in the name of the Christian God on others religions with any of the frequency that they are committed in the name of Allah on other religions.

As far as on each of the others of the same religion. Who knows without the influence of western "thought" in the region for 200 years Europe controlled most of the Muslim World. Only about 20% of Muslims live in Arab countries. The Trend towards globalism is just exacerbating the situation. Let the Muslims live they way they want to live, it is not our business. They want to live in the stone age - fine. They want to stone adulterers, fine by me.
Cut off a thief's hand, not my hand, I don't care. They want to kill each other over who was the Heir to Mohammed, fine by me. In 20-30 years the west will be moved away from fossil fuels anyway. We won't need their oil anymore but they will remember that we killed daddy.

 

Amputation for the is about 3 time losers convicted of grand larceny with violence.

 

There is much confusion in these posts between violence espoused in the tenants of religion and violence by people who happen to be of one religion or another. As far as I know Islam is the only religion that has violence authorized and often dictated within its tenants as written in the Koran. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc all espouse peace and disdain religion. That does not mean that people who call themselves as members of some religion do not commit violence, even if the perpetrators sometime commit violence in their religion's name, like the so-called Christians in the middle ages. But those could not find actual justification from a realistic reading of the Bible (New Testament). On the other hand the Koran is very clear in justifying and in fact dictating violence in certain situations, even while, paradoxically, it espouses peace in other parts of the Koran.

 

You haven't read the Koran.

 

I have not read the Paradise Lost either, what is your point that you can not talk about something that you yourself have not read but millions of other have and agree upon?

No one is saying that the Koran is an muslim "art of war" just that it speaks directly to war's justification.

 

The world is full of lazy, ignorant people.

 

The OP was incredibly vague about what he meant by the most violent religion, hence the variation of responses. Religion is often used as a motivator for war and violence and a consolation for the losses involved. In the case of Islam whilst it might contain texts justifying violence it is also very specific on when and with who you may make war, hence the Germans in WW1 tried very hard to convince the Turks that they should invoke Jihad against the British Empire. If you were to go on simply war's started and people killed by the believers of a particular religion then Christianity would come out on top in the last 120 years, I still think the State Shinto of Japan would win if you went on numbers killed by numbers who believed in it. When you get to the most violent texts there has been some research done which produces surprising results. But just look at Israel and Palestine to see a war where religion is invoked to discriminate, provoke and motivate violence. Many would say it is a religious war when we know it has little to do with religion as a cause.

 

It sure did in Nazi Germany. The German people stood by and destroyed their neighbors property and stores. They watch them being dragged off to death camps and then they would go to church . The worst thing is the Christians are doing the same thing here as we watch children be put in cages. Don’t hold yourself morally superior because you’re not

 

Christians take the worst from the Koran and overlook the worst in the Bible. Our Bible condones slavery and somebody could show that as demonstrative of Christianity. The Bible says that women must be subservient to men and they can take that out of the Bible just the way people here have been doing with the Koran

 

And not just the Germans, in all of occupied Europe many Christians were only too happy to watch their neighbours being persecuted because they were Jews in some cases they went as far as denouncing and assisting in the deportation further in some places they helped in the execution of Jews. The climate of antisemitism created by Christian teachings was endemic in Europe.

 

Neither is the war that terrorists wage against the west.

 

Exactly religion is used as a motivator and it is a superb motivator for wars and violence, Stalin as an atheist understood this in WW2 when he opened up the churches.

 

Interesting conclusion, given the evidence.

 

Just look at Bush's injudicious use of the word "crusade" if you require evidence. I doubt for one minute that he meant it in a religious context but those who sought to radicalise Muslims jumped on it and used it as a motivator to convince the ignorant and un-educated.

 

Because some forum user didn't read the Koran doesn't mean it isn't violent. here are some verses for you.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx (couldn't fit them all due to character limit but there are more in the link)

Quran
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (4:101) - "And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies." Mere disbelief makes one an "open" enemy of Muslims.

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as those who "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people. (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during the pilgrimage. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - but not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals." (See also: Response to Apologists)

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, "Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability." (See also: Response to Apologists)

 

Trumpism is the most dangerous religion. And right wing religion is more dangerous in the US than Islam.

https://qz.com/1435885/data-shows-more-us-terror-attacks-by-right-wing-and-religious-extremists/

 

Shouts of "Allah Akbar", "Death to the Infidels", and references to the "Great Satan", suggests the terrorist war is not focused on borders and diplomatic misunderstandings.

 

except Christians aren't taking slaves anymore but gheys are still being tossed off buildings (in MODERN times, key word being MODERN as in the PRESENT)...yup, sorry, no comparison