Putin says Russians will 'go to Heaven as martyrs' in the event of a nuclear war as he would only us

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    Woman - the decoration of humanity. Of course, when this is a real woman, not a piece of bacon. But a woman should never be allowed to politics. If women want equality with men, they can go for example to work in the mine.
     
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    I think the daily mail is the same rag its always been. A tabloid akin to "national enquirer" or "the globe" in the US.
    Naturally its a go to source for you.


    All those brave civilians that were killed because their "leaders" were prepared to sacrifice them and others in pursuit of political/economic objectives.

    It remains completely assinine for any national leader to spew "our people will be martyrs" rhetoric, while waving his metaphorical dick at the rest of the world, while in full knowledge that such a conflict will result in MAD.

    But I suppose that would be still considered a trumpian win in trumpland.
     
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    I wonder if the people of Crimea agree.
     
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    Sounds like what Japanese kamikazes were brainwashed with. Russians are kamikaze Muslims...:banana:
     
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    he is telling you
    you are going to get an - ucho od śledzia (the ear of the herring)
     
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    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/4/11/17224294/reddit-russia-internet-research-agency

    "Reddit just shut down nearly 1,000 Russian troll accounts"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html

    "MOSCOW — At first, new recruits to the Internet Research Agency, the notorious Russian troll factory, were thrilled by the better-than-average salaries they earned simply for posting on the internet. But one says he eventually realized that the work hid a darker reality: both they and their audience were meant to turn into zombies.

    “They were just giving me money for writing,” said the former troll, a St. Petersburg resident who wanted to get into marketing or journalism but was drawn by the hard-to-match $1,400 weekly paycheck. “I was much younger and did not think about the moral side. I simply wrote because I loved writing. I was not trying to change the world.”

    On Friday, the United States Department of Justice accused the Internet Research Agency and its senior employees of working illegally to meddle in the 2016 American presidential election, indicting 13 Russians and the companies linked to it.

    In recent interviews conducted before the indictments, two former trolls spoke about their experiences. Neither man wanted his full name used, citing the threats and intimidation others have been subjected to for speaking out."

     
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    I know a lot of russians that moved out of russia, saying it utterly sucks there, and not just the weather.

    If it was so great a place, people would be lining up like the Honduran caravan to sneak into the country, but there is probably more people leaving than moving in - just like during the cold war when the russians put up walls to keep people from leaving.

    Their birthrate is really low, so hopefully in another 50 years there might only be a few thousand left.
     
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    I live in a neighborhood with a large % of russian emigres. They seem to all love "mother russia" but damn near all of them are glad to be living in Canada.

    Then again, Russia is the white nationalist nirvana that virtually every western "nationalist" and far right tumpette has wet dreams about.
     
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    My told me I am crazy for building a remote shelter in the most remote mountain forrests of Europe. If everything goes good, I will live another 50 years and I think I a war will happen during my lifetime. Hopefully not. I also believe, the lives of my family will be better protected by me than by the government. I may well be a lunatic, I have accepted myself, and thankfully also my wife.
    There are people who would gladly move to Russia, being their nirvana. It's a matter of perspective: Russia has a mediocre standard of living, but not 3rd world. Half of the world population lives/earns with and less than 5$/day, 2018 stats
     
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    Other than some extremely desperate muslims leaving the caucuses, and some Hollywood useful idiots like Steven Seagal, there's not exactly a flood of people headed into putin's vast gulag.

    How many journalists has that POS murdered in the last 10 years? How many people abroad has that animal vermin poisoned and tried/succeeded in killing?

    This thread should have been played as satire, as the opening post was absolute idiocy..."russia is the most peaceful country..."

    I've no doubt that the mass murdered in syria and ukraine by putin the dog's hand would not agree, and their few remaining relatives left alive even less so.
     
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    There's a difference between freedom and 'permissiveness'. Freedom respects everyone's rights, permissiveness respects the rights of only a few at the expense of others.

    I always wondered why such as Hillary Clinton lauded the '***** riot' whores, when they desecrated a Russian cathedral, and yet had it been Saint Patrick's or the Washington Cathedral, the uproar would have been deafening.
     
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    Do you know that every successful social program in the Soviet Union was started by Tsar Nicholas II? Do you also know that Russia under him had the fastest growing economy in the world? Do you know that Tsar Nicholas II had the plans made up to distribute his wealth to the peasants, but the war broke out and he had to wait for it to end?

    Oddly enough the Tsar who came up with the idea of a World Court at the Hague to end all wars, and who craved peace, ended up throwing the world into a war whose affects are still being felt. When Austria declared war, and the Tsar felt he had to support Serbia as a matter of honor, the Kaisar in order to get Russia to withdraw told him that Germany would support Austria. The Tsar would have withdrawn, but it was too late. His troops were already at the front.

    When the German ambassador realized what they had done, he started to cry over the humanity that would die. Our leaders should be so concerned.

    Anyway the Bolsheviks were working fast to take over before the Tsar could implement his projects, and of course their propaganda was working overtime since the Tsar had a free press. It took the Soviet Union 20 years to reach the same level of prosperity after the revolution.

     
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    Hey Goody, do you realize the stupidity of what you said? Right now Russia has 30% of the world's resources, and there is no way the world can survive without them. This is what the friction with Russia is all about? Washington wants what Russia has.

    At one time they thought they had the wealth - but then came Putin:


    Guess again!
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    Americans can't teach any nation how to live
    Americans have no access to health care
    Americans have no guaranteed vacation
    Americans keep 2 million people in prison majority of whom did not not do any meaningful crime
     
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    1 - I think they can.
    2 - I have access to healthcare as well as majority of the US population.
    3 - I have vacation time at work. WTF are you talking about?
    4 - the only point I will agree with you.
     
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    Think as you please. It will not change anything. The Russians are ready to die if it is necessary to protect their country.
    Judging by your comment, you are not ready to die defending your country. Every nation has its own psychology. We prefer to die standing rather than live on our knees. You prefer to live, even on your lap.
     
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    You are not nervous. Take it easy. All is well. Drink water and take it easy. Do not bite anyone. Go back to your doctor .. He will help you.
     
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    Come on, man it is pathetic.
    Sure US is teaching the world because they are bullies, with weapon.

    But, in reality your life is quite miserable, unless you work for the U.S. government.
    If you are private person government takes all your money and hand it over to Military Industrial complex along with Health Care mafia.

    You are the slave because you can't leave a job fearing that you will be without health insurance.
    There is nothing that guarantees you a reasonable vacation time, because of the slavery system.
    Education is sucks and food in US in majority of places poisoned with artificial synthetic ingredients.

    And you don't even understand it.
    That is actually a confirmation of my previous statement about Americans, they are dangerous.
     
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    Kharashova low IQ poster.
     
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    Americans started dying for their country during the American revolutionary war against it's British suppressors. And Americans have been dying for their country ever since. Americans died for Russia during WW2. If not for Americans fighting Hitler on the west side of Europe Hitler would have invaded Russia earlier the year than he did and avoiding Russia's harsh winters, and he would have had more military power to use. When has Russia ever saved American's?
     
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    For example.
    In the summer of 1867, a group of American tourists from the steamer "Quaker City" landed in Yalta. Among them was the famous writer Mark Twain.
    The Americans, infinitely grateful to the Russians for helping the northern states in the civil war of 1861-1865 , decided to give the emperor a welcome address. And to whom, if not Mark Twain, was to entrust this important matter! Later in the book “Prostaks Abroad,” a writer with his usual humor tells about a meeting with the Russian Tsar: “Everyone took off their hats and the consul forced the king to listen to our address. He tolerated this not grimacing, then took our unfolded paper and handed it to one of the senior officers to be sent to the archive, and maybe to the stove. ”
    The “paperwork”, in particular, said: “America owes much to Russia, it is the debtor of Russia in many ways, and especially for the unfailing friendship in the days of its great trials. Only a madman can assume that America will ever violate the loyalty of this friendship by a deliberately unjust word or deed. ”

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    I recall that in the autumn of 1863, Russian squadrons were sent to San Francisco and New York to support the Northern States. This impressive military demonstration forced England to abandon plans for intervention in the Civil War on the side of the Confederation and thus allowed the North to continue the blockade of the ports of the South.

    In fact, the Russians allowed the United States to gain independence.

    The Second World War.
    During the Nuremberg trials, the former president of the Imperial Bank, Jalmar Schacht, in an interview with an American lawyer, said: “If you want to indict the industrialists who helped to rearm Germany, then you must indict yourself. You will have to indict the Americans. The Opel automobile plant, for example, did not produce anything except military products. Owned this plant is your "General Motors". Almost until the end of the war, with a special permit to trade with Germany, Italy, Japan, the American telecommunications company ITT conducted its business. The auto giant Ford did not stop production in France after it was occupied by the Germans, while German Hering himself, who led the German Reining Industrial Group Reichswerk Hermann Goering, provided special patronage for Ford’s activities in Europe. What to talk about, even if Coca-Cola, which is far from military affairs, has established production of the Fanta beverage in Germany!
    It was not prevented by the war, "Standard Oil" to conclude, through British intermediaries, a contract with the German chemical concern "IG Farbenidustry" for the production of aviation gasoline in Germany. During World War II, not one "Standard Oil" tanker was sunk by German submarines.
    From 1923 to 1926 Hitler and his party were financed through Swiss and Swedish banks. Since 1926, the financing of the Nazis was carried out directly through the banks and industrial concerns of Germany. In the fall of 1930, the head of the Reichsbank, Yalmar Schacht, visited the United States, who directly negotiated with representatives of American business. In private negotiations, he told them about the scenarios of the coming of A. Hitler to power in Germany and about his concept of the country's development, the strategy of struggle against Bolshevism ...
    In May 1933, the president of the imperial bank, Jalmar Schacht, revisits America, where he meets with President F. Roosevelt and major American financiers. Soon, Berlin receives investments in German industry and loans from the United States totaling over a billion dollars. A month later, in June, at the international conference in London, Yalmar Schacht also holds a series of meetings and talks with the head of the British bank N. Montague. As then, during the Nuremberg process, said J. Schacht, the UK provided loans to Germany in excess of a billion pounds, which in dollar terms amounted to two billion dollars.
    For example, Standard Oil regularly supplied in Hitler army with various fuels, and supplied synthetic rubber and various raw materials to the industry. Deliveries also went to Italy and Austria. At the same time in the United States during the war there were serious problems with the supply of synthetic rubber for American industry.

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    On December 16, 1944, Germany, having suffered a series of crushing defeats on the Eastern front from the Russians in just six months, suddenly inflicts a severe blow on the Western Front, which takes the Allies by surprise. The German offensive in the Ardennes, known as Operation Guard on the Rhine, developed rapidly, and put the US-British forces in a critical position. The situation was so serious that forced Roosevelt and Churchill to appeal to Stalin with a request to speed up the beginning of the Soviet offensive. Stalin listened to the prayers of Roosevelt and Churchill, and changed the start date of the Vistula-Oder operation from January 30 on the 12th. The blow of the Soviet troops forced Germany to stop the offensive, and saved the Americans from defeat.

    By the way. Real US assistance for the USSR began only after it became obvious that the USSR would independently win the war. In addition, all deliveries to Russia were at repeatedly inflated prices.
    For example, in 1941, 194,000 tons of goods were supplied to the USSR, and only since 1944, deliveries have increased. 1944 - 6,218,000 tons. Again. for all the goods Russia paid at inflated prices.
    Were deliveries crucial for winning the war? Judge for yourself.
    For example, during the war years, small arms of all main types in the enterprises of the Soviet Union produced about 30 million units, while from the American, British and Canadian factories, only about 152 thousand small arms were received by the Red Army,i.e 0.5%.
    A similar picture was observed in all types of artillery systems of all calibers - 650 thousand Soviet guns and mortars against 10 thousand foreign, which was less than 1.5% of their total number.... And so on.
    In the most difficult period for the Soviet state, materials worth 545 thousand dollars were sent to the USSR under Lend-Lease from the United States, with a total value of US supplies to the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition of 741 million dollars. That is, less than 0.1% of American aid was received by the Soviet Union during this difficult period.

    Learn the story. And do not read the Western media, it is harmful to the brain.
     
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    What an odd reference to make. I'm confident there is no god as imagined by humans and that all will enjoy the same fate upon death (ceasing to exist as an organism altogether coupled with there being no "soul" to survive that), so that no matter who initiates reckless military aggression, all will suffer and die just the same. Humans rely on religion as an emotional crux, especially when faced with mortality.
     

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