Question for Holocaust Deniers

It's no conundrum.

I don't agree with everything anybody says.

I simply attribute credibility to things that are supported by the laws of physics, common sense and hard evidence.

The reason I believe the fact that more people died of typhus & other natural causes than were executed is that it is consistent with the history of the camp & makes common sense.

On the other hand, no order from Hitler for a "Final Solution" has been found (1) and there are no genuine, homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Auschwitz was, first of all, a vast industrial complex where synthetic rubber was made and petrol was extracted from coal among other crucial industries that required all the healthy, functional workers that were available.

It defies common sense that the practical Germans would waste the extensive labor of healthy & employable individuals for time consuming, gratuitous executions, hauling dead bodies around, cremating them & mysteriously making millions of bones & teeth disappear.

I don't doubt that there were many executions at Auschwitz, I simply don't see the hard evidence that supports the notion that they were as common as you believe.




(1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190

 

Well, except for the facts, eye witnesses, and records, you might have something.

 

Where are all these air tight homicidal gas chambers with extensive duct work including heating elements, powerful exhaust fans etc.
Additionally, not a single order, maintenance form, or blueprint for a homicidal gas chamber exists.

Finally, one of the most noteworthy symptoms of both cyanide and carbon monoxide poisoning is cherry red skin yet not a single "eyewitness" makes mention of this obvious feature.

Why?


(1) "Johns Hopkins"
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
EXCERPT:
Signs and Symptoms

Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color.
CONTINUED

 

Thanks for proving my point you know nothing about science.

 

it boggles the mind that the Germans would waste one ounce of energy banning Jews from professions, banning inter-faith marriages, seizing their property, deporting them to concentrations camps, building ghettos for them....but they did it!!! The Jews of Germany could have been a powerful resource towards winning the war and gaining good international PR, but instead the Germans decided to persecute the Jews in EVERY territory they occupied.

why? blind, bigoted, ignorant hatred.

its illogical, irrational, bordering on insanity.

but they did it anyway.



the day you finally wrap your head around that is the day you will finally understand.

 

funny, the CDC says nothing about cherry red skin due to hydrogen cyanide poisoning.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750037.html


in fact, the CDC says acute exposure to hydrogen cyanide can/may lead to bluish skin color, not red

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MMG/MMG.asp?id=1141&tid=249

 

nonsense.

the blueprints for Auschwitz show a large gas chamber.

 

My question - why would anyone deny the holocaust?

 

many do it due to extreme hatred of the Jewish people, Zionism, the Jewish faith, etc.

 

yes @Grau, extreme, violent and obsessive anti-Semitism defies common sense and logic.

its insane that the Germans would waste soo much time, energy and resourses on persecuting the Jews of Europe when they could have just been left alone or even better...used as a resource to win the war.

but obsessive bigotry rarely is logical or rational.

 

Your own source does state that the skin of someone killed by cyanide poisoning may/can be red when it says:
"...Severe signs of oxygen deprivation in the absence of blue discoloration of the skin suggest cyanide poisoning." since a sign of oxygen deprivation is red skin because the cells are unable to absorb oxygen.

Just because the sources you have cherry picked omit mentions of red skin in cyanide poisoning victims doesn't mean that red skin is not a feature of cyanide poisoning:

"Cyanide Toxicity"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED


"Johns Hopkins"
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
EXCERPT
Signs and Symptoms

Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED


Even if only half of the alleged homicidal gas chamber victims had cherry red skin color, at least one of the "gas chamber witnesses" would have mentioned it.
To my knowledge, none have.....Why?

Or you could ask Moshe Peer who claims to have been gassed 6 times:


“Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED

 

Nobody here is "denying the holocaust" since I, like billions of people around the world(1) agree that many of the
Roma, Communists, Jews, were persecuted, robbed of there possessions & interred in camps and in many cases, executed.

I simply reject the outrageous exaggerations, inflated casualties & grotesque embellishments that are the stock in trade of the fraudulent "Holocaust Industry"(2)

If Jews were members of the Nazi Party(3) and served in Hitler's armies(4), then the holocaust could not have been as it is commonly represented in MSM.






(1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED



(2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


(3) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED


(4) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED

 

The only real "gas chambers" at Auschwitz are the defumigation chambers used to delouse clothes, mattresses etc.

In spite of all of your emotionally charged nonsense, you keep avoiding my 2 very simple questions:

1. If 700,000 - 900,000 people died at Auschwitz, where are the millions of bones & teeth that would have remained?

2. Where are the many homicidal gas chambers that would have been needed to execute so many people?

 

1. in many mass graves still there and bones still surface.
2. Germans knew they would be prosecuted so did everything they could to erase their crimes. The gas chambers were blown up. In Treblinka, the whole complex was bulldozed but forensic diggings have turned up the tiles used in the gas chambers.

 

You can claim anything that comes to mind but without supporting sources your claims are meaningless.

The tiles found by C.S. Colls at Treblinka had nothing to do with homicidal gas chambers:


"The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuAAjrbbBiM&bpctr=1541622428



"Smithsonian Red-Faced after “Treblinka Star of David Tiles” Shown to be Not Jewish At All"

http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

EXCERPT "The Smithsonian Institutes’ TV documentary division has been severely embarrassed with the revelation that its recently-released “Treblinka: Hitler’s Killing Machine” documentary—which claimed to have “proved” the existence of “gas chambers” at Treblinka because of the discovery of “tiles with Stars of David,” is an extremely amateurish hoax."CONTINUED

 

LOL, get a kick out of 'no eye witness says they saw the star of david". No witnesses came out of the gas chambers alive.

You prefer odd conspiracy theorist nonsense over eye witnesses that survived the camps, guards who were there and testified to what went on, and German records.

 

please stop reposting the same debunked nonsense.

according to German and Jewish religious law, most of these people were NOT Jews.

 

mostly due to hatred of the Jewish people and a desire to resurrect the reputation and honor of Nazism

 

yes @Grau, its true that anti-Semitism is illogical, irrational and ignorant.

its insane that someone could hate the Jews sooo much that they would waste any time, resources and money on persecuting the Jewish people, seizing their property, kicking them out of their jobs and their homes, locking them up into ghettos and shipping them thousands of miles to concentration camps.

only insane idiots would engage in such behavior.

no one will ever understand why the Nazis and their Fascist allies did such things, let alone understand genocide.

 

Re:

Moshe Peer claims he was gassed 6 times and survived and the very busy Gena Turgel claims she survived the "gas chamber" and went on to comfort Anne Frank, meet the evil Dr. Mengele & Eli Weisel in her travels.
Of course, since they claim to be holocaust survivors, every word they say is 100% true, right?

No, I prefer to believe the laws of physics, medical realities, hard facts and archeological realities over tortured confessions, forged documents and tall tales of the seemingly innumerable people claiming to be holocaust survivors.

 

You seem to have forgotten the topic of your own thread and since you cannot answer 3 simple thread related questions have chosen to ramble on about the obvious evils of anti Semitism in a transparent appeal to emotion.

No one is claiming that the persecution of innocent individuals is a good thing and most people have been painfully of WW 2 Jewish suffering to the point of "Holocaust Fatigue".

I already answered the question that is the title of your own thread with my Post #24 & now ask you for the 6th time to explain the following:

1. Where are homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared?

2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals?

3. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors even if only half of the victims exhibited that common & remarkable symptom?(1), (2)




(1) "Johns Hopkins"
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
EXCERPT:
Signs and Symptoms

Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED


(2) "Cyanide Toxicity"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED

 

you can't prove any of the documents I have cited were frauds nor have you even attempted to.

millions of Jews survived the Holocaust, but today only a couple hundred thousand survive.

 

meanwhile yesterday you posted about 100,000 "Jews" serving in Hitler's military even though that's clearly not the topic of the thread.

so do us a favor and try to be consistent.

 

No, I wrote & supported the fact that 150,000 Jews & "Mischlings" served in Hitler's armies with his full knowledge and approval(1) with many Jewish individuals rising to the highest ranks(2). I deviated from the topic at hand because I already answered the question posed in your OP with my Post #24.

Briefly put, the reason for so many ovens (muffles) was to prevent the spread of typhus for a much larger population than that of Auschwitz 1,2,3 and its satellite facilities.

Himmler noted the effect that so many ovens would have when he said that the deaths were from disease, not execution:

"In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

Heinrich Himmler

21 April 1945

Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.





(1) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED


(2) ‘JEWISH’ SENIOR OFFICERS IN HITLER’S ARMY: ERHARD MILCH, WILHELM KEITEL, WALTHER VON BRAUCHITSCH, ERICH RAEDER, AND MAXIMILIAN VON WEICHS.

https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/jewish-senior-officers-in-hitlers-army-erhard-milch-wilhelm-keitel-walther-von-brauchitsch-erich-raeder-and-maximilian-von-weichs/

EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval."CONTINUED

 

Heinrich Himmler ALSO told a meeting of SS personnel that the Nazis were indeed committing genocide against the Jewish people:

I want to also mention a very difficult subject . . . before you, with complete candor. It should be discussed amongst us, yet nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public....

......I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. [quickly] “The Jewish people is being exterminated,” every Party member will tell you “perfectly clear, it’s part of our plans, we’re eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, a small matter.” [less quickly] And then along they all come, all the 80 million upright Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. [mockingly] They say: all the others are swine, but here is a first-class Jew. [a few people laugh] And . . . [audience cough] [carefully] . . . none of them has seen it, has endured it. Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 are there or when there are 1000. And . . . to have seen this through and—with the exception of human weakness—to have remained decent, has made us hard and is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. Because we know how difficult things would be, if today in every city during the bomb attacks, the burdens of war and privations, we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and instigators. We would probably be at the same stage as 16/17, if the Jews still resided in the body of the German people.....

....We have taken away the riches that they had, and . . . I have given strict order, which Obergruppenführer Pohl has carried out, we have delivered these riches [carefully] to the Reich, to the State....

.....We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people, to kill this people who would kill us. We however do not have the right to enrich ourselves with even one fur, with one Mark, with one cigarette, with one watch, with anything. That we do not have. Because we don’t want, at the end of all this, to get sick and die from the same bacillus that we have exterminated. I will never see it happen that even one . . . bit of putrefaction comes in contact with us, or takes root in us. On the contrary, where it might try to take root, we will burn it out together. But altogether we can say: We have carried out this most difficult task for the love of our people. And we have suffered no defect within us, in our soul, in our character....


https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-human-behavior/himmler-speech-posen-1943