Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?

was his name even Jesus? who renamed him? why?

someone so special, you think they would refer to him by the name he went by when alive


JAG Previously Wrote:
{1} Jesus was God. (so he died to pay a debt to himself)
{2} Jesus was killed {He died} (God's can't be killed, only pretend to die)
{3} Jesus came back alive from the grave {The Resurrection. Easter} (so he pretended to be dead for 3 days then arose)

so Jesus required humans to kill him in order to save humans from himself?

 

This is an astoundingly nonsensical justification for dreaming up an afterlife.

It simply doesn't work that way.

The truth of a belief system doesn't have ANYTHING to do with whether people want to believe it.

The question isn't, "Wouldn't you LIKE it to be true that you'll live an eternity in heaven?"

That's just an absurd and nonsensical question. It has NOTHING to do with truth.

 

WillReadMore,
I am happy to be able to report that you are not the authority
on what is, or is not, the truth.
I am even happier to be able to report that the Lord Jesus
IS the Authority on what is, or is not, the truth.

There IS an afterlife and there will be untold billions in Heaven

The Afterlife Of Heaven Is For Those , , ,
, , , who have been redeemed by the shed blood of the
Lamb Of God that takes away the sins of the world for all
those who put their faith in Him as their Savor.

The Lord Jesus Said There Was An Afterlife , , ,
A man named Lazarus died.

Lazarus had two sisters, Mary and Martha, and they were
a close family and so the death of their brother Lazarus
was a great emotional trauma for Mary and Martha.

The Lord Jesus heard about the death of Lazarus.

The Lord Jesus went to help that family.

He helped them by first teaching them about the afterlife.

Here is the story as it unfolded , , ,

Here is what Martha said:
“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my
brother would not have died. But I know that even now
God will give you whatever you ask.”

Here is what the Lord Jesus replied to Martha:
"Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Then Martha replied:
“I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Then the Lord Jesus replied:
“I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes
in me will live, even though they die, and whoever lives
by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Then Martha replied:
“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the
Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the
world.”

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After the Lord Jesus taught Martha the truth that there
is an afterlife, He then raised Lazarus from the dead.

And Lazarus had been dead for 4 days.

"Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb.
It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance.
“Take away the stone, ”he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man,
“by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there
four days.”

Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe,
you will see the glory of God?”

So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up
and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for
the benefit of the people standing here, that they may
believe that you sent me.”

When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice,
“Lazarus, come out!” The dead man came out, his
hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a
cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and
let him go.”

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So you see, WillReadMore, you are badly mistaken
about people "dreaming up an afterlife."

Heaven is real.
Sin is real.
Unbelief is real.
Sin & Unbelief will destroy the soul.
The Lord Jesus died on the Cross to pay for our sins.

The afterlife {Heaven} is for all those that choose to
accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior.


Best.

JAG

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The Lord Jesus is never wrong.
You might find my post here to help you come to believe in the
Authority of the Lord Jesus.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-deeds-forever.576683/page-13#post-1072079865

JAG

 

Applying the words "absurd" and "non-sensical" to the
joys of Heaven's afterlife is an unhappy thought.
Panglossian people write bright cheerful up-ward
mobile positive constructive optimistic posts and I am
hoping and praying that WRM will one day soon be writing
posts that rejoice in his hope of Heaven and rejoice in
his faith in the Lord Jesus as his Savior.

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone
hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in
and eat with that person, and they with me."__The Lord Jesus
Revelation 3:20

Best Regards.

JAG

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Don't be such an ingrate. Jesus had a bad long weekend for your sins.

 

· "What Is Jesus' Real Name? Indeed, Yeshua is the Hebrew
name for Jesus. It means "Yahweh [the Lord] is Salvation."
The English spelling of Yeshua is “Joshua.” However, when
translated from Hebrew into Greek, in which the New
Testament was written, the name Yeshua becomes Iēsous.
The English spelling for Iēsous is “Jesus.”__Off the web

There is no problem with His name.

He died to pay for our sins.
His death on the Cross was to satisfy the Justice of God.
He bore the penalty for your sin, so that you would not have
to bear it yourself.
He paid the debt to His Father.
His Father will collect the payment from you or from anyone
who does not believe in the name of His one and only Son.
John 3:16 offers you 2 choices
{1} believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and perish

God's cannot be killed but the Lord Jesus was the God-Man , , the
Son Of Man as He often called Himself. He had a Divine Nature
and a Human Nature.
He died in His Human Nature.
He did not pretend to die -- He actually did die.

Incorrect.
He actually did die and rose again on the third day.

Incorrect.
The Father required Jesus to die in order to save humans
from having to bear the penalty of unforgiven sin, which is to
experience the perish of John 3:16

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in
him we might become the righteousness of God."
__ 2 Corinthians 5:21


JAG

 

I am not surprised some do not know Jesus was not his real name, people also do not know Jesus was not really born on Christmas

 

"Incorrect.
The Father required Jesus to die in order to save humans
from having to bear the penalty of unforgiven sin, which is to
experience the perish of John 3:16"

so you do not believe Jesus is the father, you do not believe Jesus is God?

 

Indeed. Christians coopted many preexisting pagan rituals and their dates.

But naw. Its ok. Put an angel figurine on the top and put it in the church for all the good Christians to sing hymns around. While their young eagerly anticipate the nighttime visit of a fat man in red whose name is an anagram of Satan.

 

FreshAir,
It does not matter that the Lord Jesus was not
born on Christmas Day -- all that matters is that
we celebrate His birthday on some "agreed upon"
date. Christendom {and the world} has agreed
on December 25th.

Human example , , ,
Uncle Henry, born in 1885, lost track of his birthday.
His mother wrote it down in the Family Bible, but
later the house caught on fire and burned to the
ground along with everything inside the house.

Time passed and the family members did not agree
on their recollections of Henry's birthday -- and
Henry was to young to remember -- so the family
got together and agreed to celebrate Henry's
birthday on whatever date Henry wanted to
pick --- Henry picked December 25th for his
"birthday" and so that was that.{Henry loved
Christmas Day.}

So?

So the only important reality was that Henry's
family loved him enough to celebrate his
birthday, it did not matter that December 25th
was not Henry's actual birthday.

Christendom loves the Lord Jesus, who died for
us on a cruel Cross and so, not knowing exactly
when the Lord was born, we have agreed to celebrate
His birthday on December 25th -- and the world,
generally, loves Christmas Eve and Christmas Day
and looks forward to it all year long.

Best.

JAG

Bible Verse For Today.
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares
the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to
harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
___Jeremiah 29:11



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Jesus is not the Father.
Jesus is God. {John 1:1}

I am an orthodox Protestant and a Trinitarian. I believe in
the Holy Trinity ---
one God in Three persons , , ,
~ the Father
~ the Son
~ the Holy Spirit.

"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make
disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded
you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of
the age." ___ Matthew 28:18-20


"In Trinitarian doctrine, God exists as three persons or hypostases,
but is one being, having a single divine nature.[83] The members
of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence,
nature, power, action, and will. As stated in the Athanasian
Creed, the Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the
Holy Spirit is uncreated, and all three are eternal without
beginning.[84]

"The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names
for different parts of God, but one name for God[85] because
three persons exist in God as one entity.[86] They cannot be
separate from one another. Each person is understood as
having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar
natures.[87]"
End quote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#One_God_in_Three_Persons

JAG

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Thanks for your reply.

I have something for you.

I was reading and I came across this jewel.

"I like the sign over the science building where
I went to college. 'Science walks with humble
feet to seek the God that Faith has found' "
___John Doe

Best.

JAG

 

RE: Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?
⁜→ et al,

BLUF: I cast my vote, and agree with "JAG."

(COMMENT)

These are same controversies that the great theological philosophers have been (aperiodically) discussing for over two Millenium. In the discussion here, I think I see elements of "Monarchianism," - "Subordinationism," - and the ever-popular "Tritheism." And this again entangles the complex facets of the homogenous nature to the Supreme Being (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit as three faces of the same one essence). And this controversy only becomes significant in the question of how to pay homage to the Supreme Being. These controversies may never be resolved as long as the scope and nature of the Supreme Being is a mystery to man.

Certainly, there are some very great perspectives that can be seen in each of the three major theories (Monarchianism, - Subordinationism, - Tritheism). And many of these center on the reported spontaneous outburst during the crusifiction of Christ, at Golgotha, (place of the skull) "My God, my God, why have you [abandoned • or • forsaken] me?" → Exactly who was he talking too? The answer to this one centered question furthers your discussion.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

That quote isn't a "jewel", it's carnival glass.

 

"I like the sign over the science building where
I went to college. 'Science walks with humble
feet to seek the God that Faith has found' "
___John Doe

John Doe's quote had some humility in it.

John Doe recognizes that God is the Source
of all wisdom and not humans -- and mere
head knowledge without accompanying
wisdom is long term destructive to the
human person.

Here are some appropriate Bible verses on Humility. America has some
severe problems {1} Racial Unrest With No Solution In Sight {2} COVID-19
With No Known End Date.

So?

So now is not the time to exalt the False-god-Science, now is the time to
exalt the Lord and take 2 Chronicles 7:14 seriously.

2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall
humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked
ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal
their land.

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth
the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 Peter 5:6 - Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that
he may exalt you in due time:

Matthew 23:12 - And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that
shall humble himself shall be exalted.

_____________

In another vein the word "science" is quite possibly the most highly controversial
word in the English language 21st century. If we go with the basic definition
of "science" which is "to know" -- then it becomes obvious that there is a huge
enormous clatter of contradictory voices "out there" all claiming that they "know"
as they contradict each continuously.

This from Merriam Webster
Definition of science
1: the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2a: a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study the science of theology
b: something (such as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge have it down to a science
3a: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method
b: such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : NATURAL SCIENCE
4: a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific lawscooking is both a science and an art
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

____________


JAG


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Thanks for your comments.

You cast your vote with me --- so you are a Trinitarian?

BLUF = Bottom Line Up Front, right?

Here is my interpretation of , , ,
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

The Lord Jesus was made a sin offering. He bore the
penalty of the "perish" of John 3:16

During the time the Lord Jesus hung on the Cross His
Father temporarily forsook His Son while His Son was
bearing the penalty of sin for the world.

Here is the verse.

Note the bolded red.

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness
of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21

The point?

God made Jesus who had no sin , , to be sin
for us.

So?

So while the Lord Jesus was "made , , to be sin"
the Father temporarily "turned His back" so to
speak, on His Son the Lord Jesus.

Something mysterious happened there on the Cross
my friend, that forever changed the world.

__________

The Lord Jesus , , , "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"
"Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.

But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
Isaiah chapter 53

Compare Isaiah 53 up there
with 2 Corinthians 5:21 down below

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness
of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21

JAG

PS
By the way, Isaiah 53 was written hundreds of
years BEFORE the Lord Jesus was born.

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You heard the man. Follow the Bible, that book of great medical healing and anti-bigotry. Pray Covid away and burn the witches. That will fix it all.

 

No, I'm not questioning what is true. You missed the point entirely. In fact, YOU are the one making claims about the truth, not me.

I'm pointing out that in YOUR post to which I responded the basis of your pitch was that surely someone would LIKE your views to be true. Your pitch was whether someone would LIKE there to be everlasting life!!

And, whether someone LIKES the idea of a particular view to be true is simply not an issue.

I could LIKE pigs to fly.

That doesn't have anything to do with the truth about pigs and flight.

 

Noted.

You do that all the time. Constantly.

No I didn't.

We BOTH make truth claims constantly. Are you not aware that
you constantly make truth claims? You do. Your posts are
saturated with truth claims.

That was part of it --but not ALL of it.
And why call proclaiming Biblical truths a "pitch"? When you hawk
your atheism, are you making a pitch?
When the Apostle Paul wrote Romans, and his other 12 epistles,
do you think Paul was making a "pitch"? How bout the Lord Jesus
when he spoke, was He also making a "pitch"?

There is your word "pitch" again.
Humans not only do like the idea of Eternal Life, they also NEED
Eternal Life --otherwise they die and stay dead like a Bug does.
Do you think that's cool? To have the same identical ultimate
destiny-End as does a Bug? Ceasing to exist like a Bug ceases
to exist when it dies. That's sad, isn't it?

Yeah it is an issue -- their desire or their "like" for Eternal Life might
lead them to pray this prayer:

"Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness.
I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from
my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to
trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name."
___from the Billy Graham Crusades

Eternal Life is as real as it gets and is not comparable with
swine flying.
Disease and Death is as real as it gets, too. You should keep
that in mind as you watch the clock tick away taking you to
ever closer to discovering if you were right or wrong about
your atheism.

Best.

JAG

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So, you DO admit the problem that your sales pitch in that post I responded to is simply nonsense.

The issue is NOT whether someone would LIKE your claim to be true.

 

No.
No I do NOT admit any such thing.
Neither do I make a "sales pitch" when I present Biblical truths.

False.
"Liking" can be Step # 1
Liking an idea can be the first step to strongly desiring that idea
to become a reality. Often the first step to true love is to like
the person first -- then that "liking" turns to love.

So?

So its a good thing that people "like" the idea of having Eternal Life.
Later on they may pray the Sinner's Prayer and become a Christian
and inherit Eternal Life.

Give some serious thought to your eternal soul and make a decision
to believe in the Lord Jesus as your Savior , , ,

, , , consider the following:

"What I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ
died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that
t he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"
1 Corinthians 15:3-4

"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice
and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and
they with me."__The Lord Jesus {Revelation 3:20}

JAG

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RE: Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?
⁜→ et al,

BLUF: I believe that "WillReadmore" is correct in these premises.

(COMMENT)
Yes, whether or not people believe a claim is a question about: What is "TRUE?"
Whether or not people want to believe something is a "WISH."

(COMMENT)

◈ Like to be "TRUE is a binary "WISH."
◈ The existance of "eternity in heaven" is a quadruple question.

✦ "Eternity" is a question of "infinite time." (Undefinable)
✦ "Heaven" is a question of a type of place.
✦ "Heaven" is an unknown type of infrastructure.
✦ "Heaven" is at some unspecified coordinate in space and time?​

This is what makes faith-based belief system difficult to discuss. Even the question of TRUTH is challengeable when it is based on a comparison to reality.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Back to the question in the OP...

No. I don't wish to remember by good deeds forever. I'm not that much of a narcissist. Once I'm dead and gone it doesn't bother me that I'll be forgotten within a few generations (or maybe sooner). I don't feel a need to exist forever, basking in my glory of what I've accomplished, or to be remembered forever. I don't see why the OP writer would.

And yes, as noted above, even if I did want to remember my good deeds forever, that in itself wouldn't make it possible. You can't wish it into being. What you wish for doesn't magically change what is.

 

RoccoR,
What are your views on the points in my post in this thread, here at the link?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-deeds-forever.576683/page-13#post-1072079865

JAG

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