Rick Santorum is mentally deranged and sleeps with dead babies.

There's nothing conservative about disturbing abnormal behavior. I would never bring a day old dead baby home to my 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 year old children unless I was intentionally trying to traumatize them. What's wrong with you people?

 

I may not think it is "normal", but I think slamming it as CrAzY and trying to paint the guy as insane over it is worse.

 

Well, like I said, if I heard someone lost a prematurely born baby and then found out they still had it in their possession 3 days later at their home, having taken the dead baby with them from the hospital, i'd think they were a little off and RIGHTLY SO.

 

I won't touch the dead baby subject. In relation to it, however, Santorum did what I think was a very disturbing thing.

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Karen Santorum, a former nurse, wrote letters to her son during and after her pregnancy. She compiled them into a book, “Letters to Gabriel,” a collection of prayers, Bible passages and a chronicle of the prenatal complications that led to Gabriel’s premature delivery. At one point, her doctor raised the prospect of an abortion, an “option” Karen ridicules. “Letters to Gabriel” also derides “pro-abortion activists” and decries the “infanticide” of “partial-birth abortion,” the legality of which Rick Santorum was then debating in the Senate. The book reads, in places, like a call to action.

“When the partial-birth abortion vote comes to the floor of the U.S. Senate for the third time,” Karen writes to Gabriel, “your daddy needs to proclaim God’s message for life with even more strength and devotion to the cause.”

The issue came up again the following spring. Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, appeared on the Senate floor with oversize illustrations of fetuses in various stages of delivery. He described the process by which a physician “brutally kills” a child “by thrusting a pair of scissors into the back of its skull and suctioning its brains out.” He asked that a 5-year-old girl be admitted to the visitors’ gallery, though Senate rules forbid children under 6. “She is very interested in the subject,” Santorum said, explaining that the girl’s mother had been a candidate for a late-term abortion when doctors advised her during her pregnancy that the child was unlikely to survive.

Sen. Barbara Boxer objected, saying it would be “rather exploitive to have a child present in the gallery” during such a debate. Santorum relented, bemoaning Boxer’s objection as proof that “we have coarsened the comity of this place.”

http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188

 

so you judge how people deal with losing a baby? How high and mighty of you. Do I think it's strange... maybe a little.. Do I go calling him the chainsaw massacre? No. I think it's very telling about you. I smell your hatred.. it drives you to do things like make a thread trashing a guy and his family over the way they delt with losing a baby. Tell me, if you were king of earth, would u have him locked up for this?

 

I have to agree. Catholicism is one of the most standardized denominations out there. I can't imagine that their local parish is any different.

This behavior is way out of the norm for Catholics and we don't usually deviate much from our sacraments, rites, and traditions.

I don't think what Santorum did was evil and was done with good intentions, but I don't understand how anyone would not admit that this was out of the norm and unusual and has no religious basis...only some brand of pop-psychology (actually homegrown it sounds like) behind it. This all happened behind closed private doors....but they thrust it into public consciousness by publishing a book with the details. Why then would any questioning of it be off limits?

 

Indeed.
And to be perfectly honest the title of this thread is probably a little over the top. I'll admit that.

However, my stance on the abnormal psychology of the Santorums stands.
I think this guy is creepy.

 

Why do you always have your children take summer vacations with presidents? WTF?

I really do suggest you shut up about this....you actually are being to seem very creepy.

But, before you go....tell me again why any of this is your business? Thanks.

 

I won't judge the Santorum's on the baby issue either....that's their business. But, I'm with you on the weird 5yr old in the gallery thing. That's very disturbing indeed.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about, you have idea what they did or did not do as far as their religious beliefs. The pure conjecture of your assertions in your desperate attempt to paint them in some unkind light is really disgusting.

 

This is small potatoes compared to further Santorum issues yet to be examined. He's going nowhere but in circles for another month and then home.

Same with Ron Paul.

And Mitten will be so damaged in short order that he'll probably throw in the towel.

No matter how you slice it, Obama wins '12 unless the rapture occurs before Nov.

 

When I do a refresh and this thread heading pops up, I start laughing. So kudos for making me laugh. I agree it is a bit over the top. Santorum is such an easy target, no need to attack him on this issue.

 

So you're betting that Obama will win because the Republican candidates are so bad.

Not a very strong position to be in you know.

 

Their behavior is just unusual.

Most people don't handle it this way.....and I've never seen an account of Catholic parents physically taking dead children home from the hospital on their own or sleeping with them. That is some sort of new age thing or something....I've never heard of it and don't see any institution, religious, medical, or otherwise, that recommends it.

People may applaud them or disparage them for what they did. But no one can rationally argue that what they did isn't unusual.

 

Not at all. It was a family dealing with their grief.

Not according to them and Karen's experience as a Neo-Natal nurse. What experience do you have that you believe trumps hers?

What you have never seen proves nothing. Had one of our premies died late at night in the hospital we might very well have done the same rather than have the child taken away.

It is nothing of the sort, it is a private family wake.

I don't think you are in any position to make any judgements upon them and the ones you have are quite disgusting.

 

It is a mentally deranged thing just to live in California, and LA is the worst part of it. And yes, I did live in California. I do my best to forget it.

 

I can't understand the grief because I haven't been through that sort of thing, but just one look Santorum's eyes should be enough to tell most people than the man just ain't with us anymore.

 

Where are you getting this? If there are ANY other incidences of people taking their dead babies home with them for a period of 3 days, sleeping with the dead baby and presenting it to their children in the meantime, then please cite.

This is unusual. You can term it a "wake", but it would even be unusual for a "wake". Unusual means a rare occurrence. So absence of other cases is definitely corroborating to that idea. So far, no one's introduced a single other case of it happening...or of it even being suggested. I'm sticking with "unusual".

 

I listen to them when they speak for one thing

Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum’s Activist First Lady, Karen
by Eleanor Clift Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST
Karen Santorum, the candidate’s wife, is a former neonatal nurse who wrote a book about the death of their baby. Eleanor Clift on her strength and her strong faith in the Roman Catholic Church—and its dictates.

....In America today, where death is a shunned and often distant occurrence, it’s startling to hear a politician talk about it so openly. “We all go through this, it’s part of life,” Santorum said, and in his wife’s case, he emphasized that death is not a stranger. Karen Santorum was a neonatal intensive care nurse for nine years, caring for the most fragile newborns. “She dealt with loss on a daily basis,” her husband said. “But one of the things she told all of us, it is so important for the family to recognize the life of that child, and for all the children to know they had a brother or a sister.”

The two women are friends and allies, and Dannenfelser marvels at what she calls Karen Santorum’s “composure in the storm,” an inner strength she believes uniquely situates the candidate’s wife for what lies ahead in the political minefields. She recalls hosting an event on the publication of Santorum’s book, Letters to Gabriel, recounting this most intimate journey of the baby she carried and then lost. Her children were milling around and acting up as children will, yet she kept her focus as she talked. Dannenfelser is a huge fan, saying it is one thing to be a pro-life activist but quite another to live those values, as Santorum did with Gabriel and continues to do with her youngest child, Bella, now 3, who was born with Trisomy 18, a genetic disorder associated with a severely shortened life.

“The effect she has is to soften the heart for the vulnerable,” says Dannenfelser. “She is a truly tender warrior.” Asked if the Susan B. Anthony List shies away at all from the way the Santorums handled the mourning and burial of their son, she says, “definitely not,” likening it to “a viewing.” The three older children at the time were waiting for this baby, she explains, there needed to be a quick resolution, “and they did it in a way that was beautiful.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rum-s-activist-first-lady-his-wife-karen.html

You are in no position to judge them and your postulations are worthless.

 

The commentary above is about the ends, not the means. The ends are, of course, to cope with loss....a worthy pursuit.

The method or means are what are unusual. One of the Santorum's fans saying what they did fits the principal...."likening it to a viewing" is an implicit admission that it's like a viewing, but is not. They dealt with it in an unusual way. Admit it. Some people like what they did and applaud them for it. Some people aren't so supportive of it....but bottom line is their means were unusual.

There are no cases of anyone ever doing what they did. That makes it unusual at the very least. Perhaps it's unprecedented.

 

It is both.

ROFLMAO.............................Eleanor Clift???????????????

Are you joking?

You have nothing now but fallacious attempts to dismiss out of hand.

Karen is far more familiar with how families react and helped counsel them through such emotional tragedies. You have no standing to try and judge them.

 

She was sticking up for the means, but none of it corroborates what they did as any sort of standard practice. What they did was out of the norm. The fan of the Sanotorums you cited does not dispute that. All she says is that she really thinks what they did is great....but she never articulates that it's any sort of common or suggested practice.


Sleeping with infants who have died twice in a 3 day period is unusual.

You stick with normal.....I'll stick to characterizing it as unusual.

 

When you get up to speed on who Clift is let me know, your dismissals out of hand and baseless conjecture are quite disgusting. What they did was quite a beautiful thing and right in line with the professional advice Nurse Santorum counseled many parents in that situation. She speaks with much higher authority than you. That it is beyond your understanding reflects on you not them.

 

Right. Sleeping with an infant corpse, and taking it from the hospital and carrying it around for a few days..... Beautiful... and mainstream, recommended practice by professionals.

Why would anyone raise an eyebrow when someone does it and then writes in a book about it to proclaim it to the world?


That's exactly the point. If what they did wasn't unusual then no one would go out of their way to celebrate it (in your and others' case) and no one would question it (as Colmes, me and others have). When something is out of the ordinary and also broadcasted by those that did it to the world, it is fair to question it.

 

So when will the Paulbots and Paul attack Santorum's daughter Bella? I'm sure it will happen soon enough.