Something For Atheists to Consider

That's how I understand it too.

Not necessarily. What burst out of the singularity and took on the form of our still expanding universe still had to be
created by some force unless you believe everything has a cause except for energy and matter.

It's true you certainly cannot create or destroy energy. But to believe anything is infinite is foolish and
science demonstrates everything has a cause. Because we haven't unraveled that cause does not mean the rule is disproved, however.
It means we haven't anyway of getting all the answers to a puzzle outside of our realm of understanding.

 

1) I have no idea whether your spiritual beliefs are wrong or right...
2) Its your right to believe whatever you choose spirituality as long as you don't inflict it on others...
3) What you believe is none of my business and frankly, I don't care.

I'm not insulted by you...your ilk doesn't bother me at all. I simply find it illuminating that insulting others for their personal, private spiritual beliefs is your goal. That your unsuccessful at it is secondary.

Trust me, I don't know any atheists that would be threatened by you...you'd simply validate what they think about your kind.

 

Easy. It could all just always have been.

Human "science" may not know much more about what we call "the universe"...than an ant knows about the cosmos, YBF.

We may barely have scratched the surface of REALITY.

IF that is what you think...by all means think it. But if you want to suggest that is the result of logic and reason...YOU ARE WRONG.

No reasonable scientist would suggest that. The "Big Bang" may be a firecracker in the REALITY.

MAY EXIST.

And I offer REALITY as such a thing.

REALITY may always have existed...and almost certainly has. If there is a god who created what we humans call "the universe" it existed before "the universe."

When did it start?

If it had no start...you have no trouble imagining something that had no beginning.

Fine with me...but if you want to post your blind guesses as assertions in an Internet forum...be prepared for someone (not necessarily me) to confront you.

You do realize that...right?

 

Yes. I already stated that myself.

Consciousness of being.

Great news that clashes with other atheists' insistence that man is like a computer and when the cord is pulled, the computer ceases to be.

 

Wow. So you are saying all you have to do is to "presume something"...and that covers your tracks in logic.

Try that ought on a logic professor...and watch him/her laugh at you.

There are lots of things you are unaware of.

 

You still have an anger and a comprehension problem.

 

It seems to me the largest part of virtually everything in this thread comes down to one basic misunderstanding.

Science and cosmology are not in the business of figuring out where it all began as both know they do not and cannot "Know", so they instead try to figure out what happened afterward. The "Big Bang" is not posited as a beginning to the Universe, instead it is an explanation concerning the formation of what we see as resulting from it. The "God" hypothesis is merely an explanation that does not use science to explain anything preferring to instead ignore what science has to offer and use magic in its place.

 

Actually I said IF you presume everything has a cause, because there is nothing without cause in science.

See, this is the sort of cheap insulting brow beating that I am used to receiving from many atheists, or whatever you claim to be. You aren't interested in discussion so much as conflict and that says much about you. Do me the favor
of bugging off.

 

And? So?

 

First of all, it should be noted that the only people who are calling this a "soul" are those writing the article. At best, Sir Rogers describes it as similar to a soul. Secondly, where's the connection to the spiritual if our soul is simply the state of being awake and aware of ourselves and our surroundings? We don't need to believe in God to believe our own thoughts, feelings, and existence.

I don't understand what you mean here.

 

One who thinks we are living in the end times. How much credibility would such a person have?

 

Simply because our realm of understanding is currently limited does not automatically default everything we don't comprehend to "god created it". That is simplistic nonsense and has no basis in logic or science.

The fact that matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed means that matter/energy must always have existed in some or other form and will always exist. The existence of matter/energy does not require a cause.

 

I don't think I've said anything to the contrary.
I wish I could get past all these posts that want me to defend some position I've never taken. It's tedious.

It means I've come across many atheists that insist a transcendent life is a crock!
Is that clear enough?

 

From a person who claims we are living in the end times. That is funny. Thanks.

 

I don't know that many atheists either, but they seem more towards science, and they usually believe energy can't be created or destroyed. So, some form of energy will continue on.

 

Well, if you agree that "consciousness of being" can exist without any spiritual connections, why would you assume in your OP it would make atheists livid and angry?

Where did I say I wanted you to defend any position?

You started the thread.

Well, this article doesn't really prove them wrong.

I thought it was, but the fact you feel a need to ask gives me some doubts now.

 

"God" created it is a viable explanation when
science and logic fail to supply answers.
God may be an absurd catch all explanation but it trumps all others that offers no explanations at all. Something always beats nothing and if you want to
contradict this absurdity be prepared to offer something better.

Why not? What else arises from nothing?
To assume certain things have just always existed is at least as fantastic as presuming God because at least God gives us a reason for being.
There is no reason when something just IS. What caused time, matter, energy itself to come bursting out of the big bang singularity and to, in an instant of creation (yes...creation), form the universe that is still expanding to this day? Right. You don't know.

You say nothing did. I say something did, as indeed, something did cause the big bang singularity. I am perfectly happy with my view of things.
What about you?

 

A lot of Buddhists are atheists.

 

It's a logical fallacy which contradicts your assertion that your beliefs are founded in logic.

What are you having trouble understanding?

 

You then went on to make a case that what you are presuming...leads to your argument.

It doesn't.

One cannot come to "there is a god"; "there has to be a god"; or "it is more likely that there is at least one god than that there are none"...using reason, logic, or science.

All you are doing is making blind guesses...and then trying to put lipstick on 'em.

I think not. You are discussing a position of yours in an Internet forum (not doing a particularly good job of it)...and I am participating.

Okay?

 

And you get that idea where, exactly?

Not from the Constitution, that's for sure.

That would depend on the sort of atheist you're talking about. For God hating atheists the answer is obvious. The rest know that His followers ought to be something like Him, and naturally are not going to be crazy about whomever phony Christians think they're following.

The question is only intelligent if the Creator qualifies as a thing - which is to say, an entity that can properly be considered as an object. Which He doesn't.

 

"God hating atheists" ??? No, ya can't hate something that doesn't exist....how ridiculous....

 

I haven't assumed that the idea of an after life has made some atheists furious. It HAS made them furious! I am a witness to that and I'm not responsible for their childish reactions.

Why ask questions that presume I take a position that I have not?
That's the better question and I believe my original explanation was perfectly clear on that. I have made no spiritual connections necessarily to an after life
(though I believe in some sort of deity) and presume atheists will live on as well as the ultra religious, and everyone in between.
Does this finally clear the matter up?

I sure did. That doesn't make me responsible for all the spurious nonsense others drag into this matter.
Science is now proposing there may be good evidence on a quantum level of an after life. Period! Anything else you read into this is your choice.

And it certainly doesn't support them either! And if there is reason to believe that
serious scholars at the prestigious Max Planck Institute are taking up the matter it shows a willingness to entertain the idea which is more than I can
say for many (not all) closed minded atheists.

I don't know why it should.

 

Okay show me one thing we know of in reality that doesn't have a cause we can explain at some basic level? And if this god being is outside of reality then how can you make some claims about this being at all? I prefer to deal with Reality which is that what we can study and further when we don't know something as a species we have science to investigate further and expand our base of knowledge which is the only tool our species has to advance all of our marvels and those we will gain in the future was done by scientific inquiry not praying or "magic".

 

It would seem you have very little experience with Atheism and begin with a pre-conceived bias that compels you to make up things in order to attempt degradation of the concept. Why would the possibility of an afterlife in any way make a "God" any more real or acceptable?

Likely, as an Atheist my understanding of my thoughts is more complete than yours and I accept the limitations of my own understanding and knowledge of what happens after death....mostly because I am not dead yet. I do however feel quite confident stating that none of the thousands of "God" thingys is any more reality driven than any other.

There may very well be a God or life after death, but it is not what YOU or anyone else thinks it is.