Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    Stalin had patriots. Hitler had patriots. Nero had patriots. Mao has patriots. Un has patriots. Pol Pot has patriots. Castro has patriots. Obama fits right in to this category and so do his patriots
     
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    Republicans are giving up on attacking ACA:



    ''A new CNN poll illustrates the situation nicely: It finds that far more Americans want to keep Obamacare than repeal it. At the same time, only majorities of Republicans want repeal and only majorities of Republicans think the law is already a failure.


    The CNN poll finds that 49 percent of Americans want to keep the law with some changes, while another 12 percent want to keep it as is — a total of 61 percent. Meanwhile, only 18 percent want to repeal and replace the law, and another 20 percent want to repeal it, full stop — a total of 38 percent. That’s 61-38 for keeping rather than repealing the law. Among independents, that’s 55-44.''




    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...epublicans-surrendering-on-obamacare/?hpid=z3




    proof that Obamacare is a success!
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Overspending is always a success, until it isn't.
     
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    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    When Terri Schiavo was on the expensive life support against her will on Florida the "pro life" right wing said no cost was too much to bear in order to spare so much as one life.
     
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    Don't worry, that certainly will never happen with Obamacare.
     
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    Revealed: 74% of Obamacare 'Enrollees' Already Had Insurance:

    A devastating new McKinsey & Co. report finds that Obamacare's purported purpose – providing coverage for the previously uninsured – has failed.

    The report concludes that 74% of Obamacare enrollees at the end of the first open enrollment period already had insurance; just 26% reported being previously uninsured. Of those who were previously uninsured, the figure drops to only 22% when considered alongside whether the individual has activated his plan by paying his first month's premium.

    According to the Associated Press, at least 4.7 million Americans had their health insurance plans canceled due to Obamacare. Many of those individuals simply went through the Obamacare exchanges to buy policies to replace the ones President Barack Obama's healthcare program outlawed.

    The McKinsey & Co. study also revealed that nearly half (48%) of individuals who said they do not plan to enroll in 2015 were "unaware of the penalty for lack of coverage." The so-called "individual mandate" imposes graduated penalties on individuals who choose not to purchase care. Even after respondents were informed of the penalty, only 29% of those currently uninsured said they plan to enroll in 2015.

    Obamacare remains deeply unpopular nationally. According to the latest Pew/USA Today poll, Obamacare's approval rating now stands at a record-low 41%.

    More...
     
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    is this one of the 45,000 who died from lack of Maobamacare? Dude she was a vegetable. How come you weren't sending them thousands of dollars to help support her then? A bit of a two-faced double standard ya got going on there, eh?
     
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    As I have previously proven Obamacare approval stands at 61% - its coverage has expanded so much (contrary to the wishes of the whiny right wingers) that there is even talk of dropping the employer mandate:



    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-employer-mandate-20140512-column.html



    This is under dispute but still there can be no denial that ACA's far greater than expected expansion is the cause of that suggestion.



    ACA = saving money and lives every day!
     
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    52.2% against Obamacare.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html
     
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    Here's why 61% favor ACA:


    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...urt-in-states-that-skipped-medicaid-expansion





    More than 1 million patients who use federally funded community health centers will remain uninsured because they live in 24 states that chose not to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, according to a study released Friday by researchers at George Washington University.

    Most of those patients live in the South, because every state in that region except Arkansas and Kentucky opted against expanding the federal-state program for the poor after the Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that it was optional.

    "These low-income patients already face significant challenges to obtaining health care," says lead author Peter Shin, director of the Geiger Gibson Program in Community Health Policy at George Washington University. "Our analysis suggests these patients will remain without access to affordable insurance, which will almost certainly lead to delays in care and the risk of more serious health conditions."

    Health centers in states that have expanded Medicaid are benefiting, as 2.9 million of their uninsured patients were projected to gain coverage in 2014 either through Medicaid or through buying subsidized private coverage on the new health insurance marketplaces, the report found. Officials at health centers in Colorado, Kentucky and other states that expanded Medicaid have seen their rates of uninsured patients fall dramatically this year.

    Gaining coverage helps health center patients get access to specialists along with prescription drugs, diagnostic tests and hospital care for little or no out-of-pocket costs. The coverage will also be a financial bonanza for health centers that are paid several times more from Medicaid than from the sliding scale fees they charge the uninsured.

    Nationally, about 1,200 community health centers provide primary care services to nearly 21 million patients at 8,000 sites. About 36 percent of their patients in 2012 were uninsured and 39 percent were on Medicaid.

    In the states that expanded Medicaid this year, the government and private insurance payments will lead to potential revenues of $2.1 billion in 2014 for the centers. That's money the centers can use to pay physicians and nurses and also to expand services. But in the states that opted against expanding Medicaid, the centers will lose about $569 million in extra Medicaid funding, the study found.

    Health centers in states that didn't expand Medicaid are unlikely to have money to grow and "as a result, access problems are likely to increase as the number of uninsured patients who seek care at health centers increases," the report said. And this is likely to exacerbate existing access problems, particularly in the South.

    The report showed that 35 percent of the 1.1 million community health center patients left struggling without insurance live in just five states — Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi.

    "That is a huge resource loss for them," Shin said.

    If all 50 states had expanded Medicaid as the law's framers had intended, 5.2 million uninsured community health center patients out of a total of 7.5 million would have been covered, the report projected. Those that would have remained uninsured could not afford to buy coverage on the exchange, chose not to purchase it or were ineligible for Medicaid because of their immigration status.





    ACA = saving money and lives every day - Thank you Mr Obama!
     
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    unbelievable because His Highniess; ratings are near Nixon lows at 41%
    The blog is a source :roflol: seriously, again??????????
     
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    Still waiting for the Republican alternative plan.
     
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    it was just fine before..................
     
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    You mean you are waiting for some other socialist program.
     
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    OBAMACARE IS WORKING!!!

    It´s working just like critics said it would, and nothing like its supporters promised. High and rising premiums. Runaway costs. Rampant waste. Workers shoved into government-run exchanges.
     
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    So Medicare,Medicade, staggering cost increases and large numbers of uninsured were just fine before. Doubt even Romney believe that one.
     
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    Like life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
     
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    yeah, sure - Republicans rejoiced at the deaths of 45,000 Americans every year due to lack of health care insurance



    meanwhile, here is more reason why ACA has 61% approval:



    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/turns...3900650.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons




    Turns Out Obamacare Premiums Aren't More Expensive After All


    Business Insider By Lauren F Friedman


    May 12, 2014

    When the cost of an employer-provided health insurance plan is compared to the cost of an Affordable Care Act plan bought on a state health insurance exchange, the ACA plan will be more affordable on average, a new analysis from PricewaterhouseCoopers' Health Research Institute finds.

    "In 2014, the premiums for health plans offered on new state exchanges under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are comparable to — and in some cases lower than — those being offered by employers with similar levels of coverage," the analysts concluded. "The data suggest the new exchanges are competitive with the current insurance market."





    ACA saving money & lives every day --- Thank you Mr Obama!
     
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    Give it a year. Romney's BS doesn't affect me because I DON'T LIVE in that (*)(*)(*)(*)hole.
    So, you admit that the only reason Obama stole 7% of the "private" economy was to deliver even less service than the other providers offered?
    Why didn't he simply cap their receipts? All he did was protect their profit margin by forcing people to buy their product. Once this fails, the US gov will officially be the only insurance company available to do business with.
    Nope, we are officially in the hole 1.7 trillion dollars for the cost of startup. Do you picture how many policies it will have to force the sale of in order to recover that and pay for future benefits? Do you realize how many fully paying folks have to be enrolled to offset the bailouts that will go to the insurance companies to see his wet dream come true AND pay for the subsidies that the partial-paying people's policies?
    God, none of you folks banging on this drum have looked past this morning when you look at this cluster(*)(*)(*)(*).
    How can this be paid for?
    You do realize that many folks' homes are in jeopardy because they sign up for the so called "free stuff?"
    And how is creating another deficit that is 1/10 of the national debt going to get the American public out of debt while paying for this cluster(*)(*)(*)(*)?
    Where is the money going to come from?
     
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    Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness must be earned to be appreciated. Stealing from other people is the same as getting hooked on heroin. Once you start, you cannot stop. Do you even care how it affects those who were independent from the long reach of government? Do you give a rat's ass about much they lose because some don't want to pay their own way? How socialist of you...you're only thinking of yourself and concerned with how much you [sic] can steal from the other guy
    You have shackled yourself to a tyrannical government in hopes that your loyalty will be duly noted.
     
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    Dumbest comment ever. Can't even believe this thread is still active. Don't know of anyone, Republican, Independent or even Tea Party members that are afraid it will be successful. If it is successful we would all be happy.

    The Democrats and the Far Left Progressives are the only groups that have to worry, not about it being successful, but that it will fail to do what they said it would; over and over prior to passing it without one Republican vote and when 50% of more of taxpayers were against its passage. Dumbest statement ever made by Pelosi, "we have to pass it before we know whats in it". Guess that sums up why the Federal Government and Congress are unable to pass well written and well thought out laws.

    So, we will not see our premiums decrease significantly, taxpayer spending will increase, due to the cost of insurance subsidy and the failure to significantly lower the cost of unpaid emergency visits. And, purchasers of insurance through the Federal Exchange and some State Exchanges are finding what they purchased will not cover their hospital admissions, care by the majority of providers in their area and subsequently may find paying for the coverage more costly than paying out of pocket for their care.

    Too bad the PPACA left out specific regulation on Insurance Companies, such as providing policy benefits in "laymans" terms. Providing a complete list of Hospitals and Providers participating in the plans before the coverage becomes finals. Full disclosure on covered medical care treatments and surgical proceedures, lab tests, medical equipment and prescriptive drugs.

    Seems Obama and Dems aimed to regulate individual citizens more than they meant to regulate the insurance industry. One of the only industries not included in many Anti-trust laws and the Sherman ACT. Basically they can still determine premiums without restraint. Don't think just because they can't refuse to cover pre-existing conditions that you will be quoted the same premium as individuals without a pre-existing condition, regardless of whether your condition is low cost or high cost. Will a person with a preexisting condition of high cholesterol or high blood pressure pay the same premium as an individual diagnosed cancer or a heart condition? How will we know the answer to that when this information is not made public? So much for transperancy. Yet, when electric and phone was deregulated consumers can easily compare rates, apple to apple. Something PPACA promised but is failing to live up to.
     
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    I'm still waiting for the demographics of these 45 thousand that were murdered and tortured every year...............seems he cannot produce it
     
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    Wow dude, reel yourself in. I have no interest in stealing from anyone. Already have much more money than I can ever spend. I am not a great supporter of Obamacare but think it is probably better then the previous mess. My preference would be a single payer system which we will get to eventually because even Obamacare is unaffordable in the long term. All you have to do is compare the costs and results of our system with other developed countries health plans to realize what will eventually need to be done.
     
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    You must be responding to some other post. And I bet you don't pay your own medical bills. Or are you on Medicare.
     
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    wrong on both counts.
    I have never taken one dime from the government to support my family.
    I have paid for my own insurance WITHOUT SUBSIDIES for over 38 years.
    I have never used or requested unemployment.
    Can you claim the same?
    All of these things can be verified with you visiting me and I can show you my documentation. I will not give out such information in here, but it is always available for a personal inspection. Got the balls to make the visit?
     
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