The beginning of the end of free speech

So let us remember the post you replied to.

Now how was your question relevant to that or were you simply deflecting?

 

The problem with this argument is that firstly the choices of those standing for high office are limited, and secondly, they rarely actually lay out or lay bare their actual agenda. Once they're elected they begin to do things they implied or indicated the wouldn't and don't do the things they said they would. That's why most people consider politicians to be liars.

The question again is the choices they're given. Voting is like rigging a Roulette Wheel; hence what happened to Bernie Saunders at the last election. I don't care for him personally, but he clearly had the favour of American democrats who hated Hilary and wanted a change from the old politics. But they weren't allowed thatr choice because the system had rigged who was going to be on the Democratic ticket.

I agree. I'm a fervent believer in democracy. It may have flaws but is the fairest example of goverment I am aware of.

But I don't think we in Europe - or America, in fact - actually have democracy operating. In the US the elite act in concert together to create a political class that does their bidding. Oligarchy is a million miles away from democracy in my opinion. In Europe we have an undemocratic bureaucracy in Brussels that is appointed and not elected and which answers to corporate power and not the people of Europe. The EU pretends to function as a democracy with a faux Parliament in order to gull the people.

I wish it were not so but it is.

 

agree, the ten commandments has no place in law, blasphemy is a right all citizens should have

some here in the USA want to base laws on the ten Commandments too, even put the Ten Commandments on statues outside and in court houses - they hate freedom

"The Palin Principle – Bible trumps Constitution"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/sarah-palin-american-law_n_569922.html

"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant — they’re quite clear — that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments." - Palin

 

They seem more interested in their own liberties than those of others.

So many of them don't have a handle on their own lives but feel they can decide on how others should live. They should follow Jordan Peterson's advice, mentioned by Striped Horse above, to first clean up their rooms.

 

I don't think that's odd at all. Firstly it's an international forum and secondly a lot of Europeans consider Americans need to be criticised for all sorts of what should be obvious reasons.

 

And a good example of that would be the controversy regarding the US President's promise to build a wall along the southern border. He was certainly sincere but didn't sufficiently take into account the political opposition he'd face.

 

that actually points back to the voters & their ignorant belief that a prez, any prez, can make sweeping changes without congressional help... prolly stemmed from witnessing obama's 'pen & phone' routine which went largely unchallenged for fear of being labeled racists, if not for that fear, obama would not have been 'allowed' to do 99% of what he did...

 

Oh I enjoy what foreigners have to say but often it's the usually the same stuff already reflecting left wing thought in the US, which is similar throughout the world, rather than a perspective based more on their own local experiences. Criticism of the US is not new, nor is it particularly interesting anymore. I'd prefer to hear foreigners discuss the causes all democracies face today, and the commonalities we all share. Blaming the US for all the ills of the world has become dull, boring, unimaginative and tiresome and often from sources who seem never to have left the neighborhoods where they were raised..

 

videos of McCarthy hearings are readily available online - try YT

 

Clearly you were just deflecting.

 

That's not how it works. You posted a rather foolish claim and now you want me to substantiate it for you? That's just another reason why leftists get so damned tiresome.

 

No it was what was happening in the US. Sad you do not know your history.

 

I guess it is all according to who or what you consider a ' victim '. None of them were innocent and all were quilty of what they were accused of.
Sadly the rest got away with it and have now accomplished their mission to tear down and destroy this nation.
Hollyhood is a vipers pit full of blood, and immorality so much as it has affected the minds of our youth today.
It has nothing to do with any one group either it is a group of NWO oligarchs who want to rule over the rest of us.

 

Maybe open up your mind and watch these videos again. I have a good one for you but I'm sure you won't watch it or you will and ignore what he is saying.

Murrow wasn't kidding when he said "Good Night and Good Luck".

 

Unfortunately, what the US does has great effect on the rest of the world. As Trudeau's dad once said, (paraphrasing here) it is like sleeping with an elephant, no matter how good natured the beast, you are always very aware of every twitch and turn.

The US gets so much of the blame because it has to a large extent, with it's vassal states and economic alliances, created the world we see today from Europe to the Philippines and beyond. In the heart of Empire it is often hard to see the horror and destruction those on the fringes live with every day.

 

@Mr_Truth Truth

Did you watch the video? If so I know for a fact you had to learn some facts from it, so this is a good thing, not that it really matters anymore now but still always good to know the facts.

 

This is true. But I also wonder if not us who will rule? In a perfect world nobody would but thsi is a dangerous violent world and the one with the power rules so would China or Russia or South America ,etc,etc,etc, do a better job of rulership?

 

Bleep bloop bleep!

lol....

On topic, people shouldn't be afraid of this kinda stuff happening. In fact this should actually make you happy, every time someone on the far Left step over the line and becomes more authoritarian, their message becomes more drowned out.

If you think Brexit, France riots, half a dozen countries about to ditch the EU and Populism on the rise is a big deal? Wait until things like the OP's free speech incident become a daily occurrence.

Every time "the people's" freedom has been taken away as it looks like is trying to be now, there has been massive uprising and violence. Hopefully we can figure it out, but if the two sides keep stretching in opposite directions, history has shown us that 100% of the time it will snap.

 

People like you who want to control morals will always lose.

The Republicans did it with religion before, now you guys are trying to do it with the ridiculous ideas of Intersectionality and the victim mentality that some people are off limits to any type of offense. Of course, those "some people" are those of your chosing, which is exactly why people are rising up in hatred for this new victim culture.

Keep pushing it and the so called "populism" will continue to rise. The media is trying to paint it in all kinds of different manners, but the bottom line is people are sick of authoritarianism in government. Right now, that is all coming from the Left.

 

You just said all that, basically to say

"We made telling a truthful fact about history illegal, because it offended someone"

Who gets to chose who is offended? Who gets to chose who is ignored?

This is the authoritarianism that is being rejected now in the EU and America has always laughed at.

How many countries now in the EU are protesting, talking about leaving or flat out already leaving? The hyper control of the EU is failing and thankfully, it only had a few years in America before the people saw it for the authoritarian control it was.

The media has tried to proclaim the rejection as "populism" in an attempt to paint it negatively, but the fact is that people are just sick of being told what to do.

 

Can you imagine this in the news now days?

Tens of millions of people were dying from forced hunger

Definitely don't agree with McCarthy at all, but these people trying to paint McCarthy as the bad guy and the Soviets as some victim is absolutely hilarious.

All over social media, pictures of people starving and dying. Then McCarthy calling people who agree with that evil, then people trying to call McCarthy evil ..... it just doesn't add up.

McCarthy was a horrible reaction, however he was exactly that, a reaction. Somehow, modern Progressives think they can paint the Soviet Union and Socialism/Communism in general in a positive light, going so far as to pain their victim narrative to a murderous ideology.

 

The nonsense drivel above is typical of the far right's comment to propaganda. The far right is the threat to free speech, always. Never forget that. The only thing that will snap if it comes to a conflict will the far right's back.

 

bleep boop beep

No one of common sense is painting McCarthy as anything but evil, and no one is giving a pass to the stalinists and communists, except for the alt right and hard conservatives today who idolize them, their history, and Putin.

 

But Muslims are contributing to the end of free speech and I pointed out the recent UN debacle which makes it illegal to criticize Mohamed (Pedophilia Be Unto Him). They also riot and murder when they disapprove of a cartoon. Do you really not know any of this?

 

It is irrelevant, jewish holocaust denier law predates it and is the beginning of end of free speech. Do you not know this?