The Trump defense for dummies...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Impeachment has nothing to do with what anybody "wants". Nobody wants to impeach a President anymore than anybody "wants" to prosecute a murderer. It has to do with doing their job.

    We all want that no President abuses their power in the first place, so we don't have to impeach them. Just like we all want murderers to not kill anybody so we don't have to prosecute them.
     
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    Can't argue the facts, argue the process.
     
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    Especially when the defense for withholding documents and preventing witnesses, in the second article is to continue to refuse to release documents and block witnesses. Most people see through the game Trump is trying to play. Most people can see how obedient Congressional Republicans pick party over truth, justice, and the United States of America.
     
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    The problem with the process is that it started out unfair. Now suddenly the democrats are worried about being fair. The democrats had every opportunity to subpoena who ever they wanted. If someone refused to honor the subpoena, they could have gone to court. That is what the court is for. Now suddenly democrats want fairness. However now the fairness will result in this impeachment going on for months because if one witness is called, it will bring up questions which require another witness.
     
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    Yes - all of the things on your list go into the category of potential self incrimination - why would any legal team council this ?

    I think most people -at least on some level - can sense that kangarooland exists on both sides - unless they have their partisan blinders on - and they don't count. It is the Anti Establishment middle that will decide this election.

    Russiagate met the criteria for a "witch hunt" in many ways. People are still running around crying "Putin Putin" - Trump is Putin's puppet.

    I use the same standard that Dershowitz used in the Clinton witch hunt - Blue were all gung ho on that standard at that time - they even made a few changes to the process on that basis - to try and prevent the same thing happening in the future.

    Unfortunately it didn't work - Russiagate was the same BS - violating the same standard - that Blue used to respect - but no longer does.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I no criminal trial does the defense have a "vote" on what witnesses the defense brings in. Your statement underlines how dishonest this Senate would be if they don't allow the defense to present it's case.
     
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    The process is never "fair" for the guilty.
     
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    Most people are aware Trump colluded with Russians and continues to do so. Even most Republicans know. As long as the collusion helps them, so what?
     
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    Corruption has been a big problem in Ukraine and it looked to Trump after Biden threatened to hold up aid to Ukraine unless the man investigating the company that Biden's Son worked for is fired to help his Son hold on to his $88,000.00 a month no work job, that the Bidens might be part of that corruption. He had every right to do so with a prior agreement made by Clinton and Ukraine. Not only a right, but a duty to look into it. Just because Biden is also running for President, doesn't make him immune from investigation. If he did nothing wrong he had nothing to worry about. Trump didn't threaten the President of Ukraine, or hold up money marked for them longer then he was legally obligated to send it. He asked him to do what he ran on, fight corruption.
     
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    That Biden has done anything illegal here has been debunked ad nauseam. Weird that some are still shoveling it. And the very idea that Trump is the champion and savior of non-corruption is really hysterically funny.
     
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    Does this sound like Trump or Obama colluded with Russia?


    Did Obama Pledge ‘More Flexibility’ Toward Russia After ...
    https://www.snopes.com/fact.../obama-more-flexibility-russia

    Dec 13, 2016 · A hot microphone picked up President Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like



    The Anti-Obama: Trump Selling Missile Defense To Poland ...
    https://www.dailywire.com/.../anti-obama-trump-selling... When Barack Obama capitulated to Russia in 2010 by removing missile launchers in Poland that neared the Russian border? There’s a new sheriff in town. On Wednesday, the Polish state news agency PAP reported that Poland’s government will buy the Patriot missile defense system from the U.S.



    Trump in Poland: U.S. To Sell Warsaw Arms to Stop 'Hot …
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-Poland-Warsaw-us-arms-Russia... A move set to counter Russia’s reinforcement on NATO's borders, Poland and the U.S. Have agreed that Warsaw will purchase the American-made Patriot air defense missile, the Polish government announced Thursday. Trump delighted many in Poland when he announced he would be visiting the country .
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    Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-tank-killing-missile-fight... Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …

    The President of Ukraine asked Obama for weapons to defend his country against Russian backed Ukrainian insurgents wanting to take over the country. Obama gave them food, uniforms, night vision glasses and blankets. NO WEAPONS
    . The Ukrainian President said later, you can't fight a war with blankets. Trump gave them the weapons pissing the Russians off.


    Trump admin announced fresh sanctions on Russia - CNNPolitics

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    Jan 26, 2018 · The Trump administration announced new sanctions Friday related to Russia's occupation of Crimea and ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, just days ahead of a congressionally mandated deadline for ...

    Trump administration withdraws from U.S.-Russia nuclear weapons ...

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    1 day ago - Trump administration withdraws from nuclear weapons treaty, .... Closely review the security implications of Russian intermediate-range missiles and ... Theme he has hit on since Trump's decision to nix the Iran nuclear accord, .


    1. Pentagon tests missile previously banned under US-Russia arms ...
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      The Pentagon announced Monday that the military conducted a test over the weekend of a type of missile that previously had been banned for the last 30 years under a treaty between the United ...

    U.S. Launches Four Missiles As It Rejects Russia's Offer to ...
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    The U.S. tested four Trident II submarine-launched ballistic missiles in the past three days, as Russian President Vladimir Putin revealed he had offered to sell hypersonic arms to President Donald
     
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    Impeachment effectively means half the House plus 2/3rds of the Senate have the unqualified, unreviewable power to remove the President. If that number of representatives don't want to vote to convict that's the end of that.
     
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    Trump just delivered the ME to Putin when he stabbed the Kurds in the back.
     
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    Obama never asked the Russians to help him win an election. But Trump did.
     
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    Well it seems even the witness the Left was counting on to help impeach Trump agreed Trump did.


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1222561157254385665
     
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    Trump was joking. If he was going to do that he sure wouldn't do it where 250 million people could hear it. He sure wouldn't repay them by doing the things he did to them.
     
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    He held off because at the times he was trying to get their help to isolate N.Korea. He needed both Russia and China to hold off aid to N. Korea to force N.Korea to disarm their nuclear weapons
     
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    Actually not. Stuff is going to continue to come out. John Bolton's book is going to come out in March. The more that comes out, the worse Republicans look.
     
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    So now that the Democrat’s have read the book, everything is clear now, yes?
     
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    Yet North Korea still has nuclear bombs and the delivery systems to use them. Iran, after promising to not pursue nuclear weapons, started it up again, after Trump backed out the agreement and went after them. Trump has made the world less safe.
     
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    It has always been clear, the innate corruption of Trump and his fawners. Can't have an honest conversation with one though.
     
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    Bolton already said in that video exactly what Trump said he did, along with saying the Trump administration was worried about corruption in Ukraine. What ever he says in his book, after being fired would have no credibility at all. I look for the Senate to take a vote Fri to dismiss further witnesses and turn down the impeachment
     
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    Cadet Bone Spurs also declared that the injuries suffered by the soldiers in Iraq as the result of his killing of the Iranian general were not such a big deal. Because ya know, he knows more than anyone else about windmills and head injuries.
     
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    No ****, that was what Trump was trying to get N. Korea to give up because Russia and China are not stopping aid.

    Under the agreement with Iran, they could resume their quest for nuclear weapons after ten years which is already half over.

    Less safe? The last thing Obama said to Trump is that N. Korea would be the biggest problem he would face coming into office. N.Korea is not threatening us or our Allies. Not shooting missiles over them. Gave us our Korean war dead back. Realeased four political prisoners. NATO is much stronger than it was after Trump got them to put in 100 billion dollars of more weapons.
     

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