The Trump defense for dummies...

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  1. Marine1

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    They are telling people Trump wants to cut people's Social Security. Does he?


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    And I bet you still claim Trump called White supremacists good people, in his actual words about Charlottesville.
     
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    Is that the best you can do?
     
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    That's the conspiracy theory by the same people who brought you the Seth Rich's conspiracy, Pizzagate.... and all the nonsense made up for a gullible audience. Not the facts. Starting by the fact that Sholkin was not investigating Burisma... Or anybody in the corruption elite, for that matter. And it's precisely one of the reasons why the aid was held. So it's exactly the opposite of what they told you

    You guys need to stop believing everything you hear on Fox News, Hannity, Rush, Infowars, .... All the conspiracy noise echo-chamber.
     
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    Nope! It's not the end. It's the beginning. If a President is proven of cheating in an election, as this one has, and the senate refuses to remove him, it's the beginning of... something. Maybe a dictatorship. Unless the number of people who know the facts is so overwhelming that it compensates for the President's cheating. This is the reason why Republicans are fighting with such fervor to stop as many people as they can from knowing those facts. With the formidable power that the combination of a corrupt President and a corrupt Senate represents, a dictatorship is more likely.

    Wouldn't it be ironic that the Party that once claimed they fought tooth and nail against big government would be the one responsible for giving us the biggest government in our history?

    Every day it looks more likely that will be the case.
     
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    Why is it the trumpets refuse to accept the facts. ??

    nobody says trump asked Ukraine for Biden’s to be drawn and quartered

    trump only asked for Ukraine to make an announcement of the investigation so he could use it as political fodder to beat Biden.

    Trump actions are vigilante like. he must follow rules and laws just like me or you. And if we refuse to follow laws we are punished

    trump did not ask for an investigation. Even if he did he asked there wrong people and did not obey the laws of the country which says certain laws must be followed

    trump is not above the law
     
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    That's the Democratic story. So lets look at it that way. Your going to fire a man who isn't doing his job of investigating a company Biden's Son works for. So why didn't they replace him with a guy that would? Everyone knew the owner was a crook and he used the company to make him rich. The investigation stopped right then and Sonny boy got to keep his $88,000.00 a month job he didn't have to work.
     
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    the only thing you got right was the title
     
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    Trump had every right, no a duty to ask the Ukraine President to look into the graft that seemed to be going on in his country concerning the gas company and Biden and his Son. Just because Biden is running for President doesn't mean he's actions can't be looked into. If one of those candidates running for office did something that looked illegal, are you trying to tell us that another candidate can't point that out and want it looked into?
     
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    Exactly!

    The frivolous and cavalier attitude of Trumpsters over this issue is mind boggling. Never in my life have I seen an entire political party genuflex in such an extreme way to literally flip on just about every major pillar of conservative thought. They are in essence throwing out our democracy in favor of establishing a king.

    These are the same people who call Liberals commies? Gimme a freakin' break!
     
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    No! Those are the facts.

    Here is the Obama administration demanding the investigation of Burisma even after Biden was working for them.
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...-clearinghouse-2019.10.15.kent_transcript.pdf

    And Obama's U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geofry Pyat excoriating Shokin (the prosecutor that Biden helped remove) for stymying corruption investigations which included Burisma. As explained in detail here.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/...iden-son-hunter-biden-ties.html?module=inline

    And his full speech is here:
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...ancial-Forum-on-September-24-2015-ukraine.pdf

    So let's not confuse wingnut media conspiracy theories with facts. Have they produced any evidence? No, but you believe them because you place partisanship above facts. I don't!
     
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    Glad you liked it. I wrote it just for you.
     
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    "And Obama's U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geofry Pyat excoriating Shokin (the prosecutor that Biden helped remove) for stymying corruption investigations which included Burisma."


    If true, why wasn't the investigation into Burisma continued? From what I heard, the investigation went no farther than the fired investigator. Just what Biden wanted.
     
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    This is just ridiculous - really. Consider who you are speaking to por favor .. Most of the time you click or think like on my posts .. and I yours.

    Look - that Trump shouted out to the world .. "Russia please get Hilly's emails" - is saying what we all think . well - all except people lying to themselves.

    not that "Russia hack our systems" - but - this was after the fact was it not ? in any case - the general public knew well prior to the release of this information that there was some damning stuff out there - wiki leaks - and the rumor mill was flying.

    What the prosecution has to prove - is that Trump was directly involved in the Hack - and good luck with that.

    There are secondary inferences - but collusion does not cut legal mustard .. you have to come up with a specific crime - not "He helped the Russians" .. helped them do what ? " mess with our electoral system" How ? " and it is at this point - that you draw a blank"

    If you do not draw a blank at this point - then do put something on the chalkboard .. showing that Trump aided abetted Russia with respect to the Hack of the DNC.

    So what is this "colluding with russians" - to do what .. what does he continue to do ? What did he do to begin with - other than wish upon a star - that the dirt on Hillary would come out. .. as we all were.
     
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    So you refuse to choose one topic to start with because if you do I will be more than glad to debate the issue and all the others you bring forth, but one at a time.
     
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    There are so many. You pick one and I'll be glad to discuss it with you. Obviously you know little about Trump or what he has done besides his petty lies which has hurt none of us.
     
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    I am a native New Yorker who has been well aware of Trump's activities, criminal and otherwise, for decades. But I suppose your being a fan of his awfully scripted reality show makes you an expert on the monstrosity that is Trump. And btw.. I actually met someone who was ripped off and totally screwed at his bogus university.
     
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    Good post - complete double standard - and witch Hunt. The propaganda whipped up - like the "duck and cover" era .. "Russia is Coming".

    Thing is that the threat was far more real in duck and cover. Russia had just developed the nuke - and the thermo nuke shortly after. Then you had McCarthyism - communist infiltration into the ranks of the US gov't.

    I would argue - and have argued - and win every time I do - that the ability of each side to annihilate the other - is greater then at that time. The difference is that both sides know it. Back then , there was uncertainty.

    This makes the situation safer in many respects - there is no delusion in peoples heads that either could survive a war with the other. Russia could do it without nukes... should it desire .. hmmmmmm !? . but nukes are so much more fun !!
     
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    I could care less what Trump did before becoming President. It's what the man has done in office that matters. Lets stick with that. I could tell you a lot about Bill Clinton before he became President I bet you don't know. But lets stick at what we voted him for.
     
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    No double standard or witch hunt. I have posted just what Trump has done and posted sites to back it up. The problem being, your bias news sites and Democratic Party has told you nothing of it. Most of you are clueless to what Trump has done. I can tell that every time you bring up Russia, Russia, Russia and can't tell me anything good he has done.
     
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    I think you completely misunderstood my post .. on a different page Reread ... I was stating that there was a double standard in the way Obama was treated .. vs Trump - Trump being on the short end of the stick ... and that Russiagate was a witch hunt.

    So where you got that from my post .. I do not know .. are you an alien .. Perhaps !! ??
     
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    What do you mean "if" true? I just sent you a link! And where did you get that it wasn't continued?

    If that were what Biden wanted, why would he want the prosecutor who was dragging his feet fired?

    When somebody on the right starts a paragraph with "from what I heard" and provide no link, that usually means that they heard it from Rush, or Hannity or Alex Jones, or... one of those clowns we have proven liars so many times....
     
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    Why wasn't a new prosecutor put in his place to investigate the corruption of the gas company sense your saying the old one didn't do it. So you put in a new one and start/continue it. But that didn't happen did it? No, Biden shut all investigations off to the gas company and Biden's Son. Very convenient.
     

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