The Trump defense for dummies...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    How many times do I need to repeat that Biden did not shut down any investigation because there was no investigation to shut down?

    Here.... This article that came out at the time might help you

    https://euobserver.com/foreign/130123
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    As the campaign heated up in 2016, our intelligence agencies had discovered Russian interference. Obama shared this information with McConnell who convinced Obama that it should be kept quite, so as to not unduly influence the election. The Republicans then went on to take advantage of the Russian interference. Paul Manafort was working for a pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch when he was selected to be Trump’s campaign manager. During the campaign, Trump’s people met with Russian operatives over 200 times and lied about it. Trump’s Attorney General, Jeff Sessions has to recuse himself from the Russian investigation because he had been meeting with Russians. As Mueller investigated the Russian interference Trump went out of his way to block the investigation.

    Shortly after coming to office, Russians came to visit and reportedly Trump “accidentally” revealed secret information to them. On the international stage Trump has sided with Putin over our intelligence community. When Trump has met with Putin, no note takers have been present.

    Trump and crew first started their shenanigans in the Ukraine in an effort to discredit the Russian interference charge, following the Russian propaganda efforts. That it wasn’t the Russians that interfered in the election on the behalf of Trump but rather it was the Ukrainians who interfered on the behalf of Hillary and her email server is hidden somewhere in the Ukraine.

    Currently, the Russian and Republican narratives are mostly aligned on what Trump did in the Ukraine. Neither reflects reality.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We had a massive investigation - with special powers - and there was no there there.

    Your points are:
    1) Russia messed with the elections
    2) Trump's people had 200 meetings with Russians - some of these meetings you refer to are likely at fancy parties where Russian's happened to be there .. Russian's are people too - they are part of the Jet set who live here - and associate with Americans - and if there were rumors going around - that Russian's had dirt on Hillary - even more reason to talk to these people .. and facilitate release of this information in any way possible ...

    You are confused - not listening .. You need to prove that Trump was guilty of 1) hacking the DNC 2) paying for the FB ads (which is sketchy but OK .

    Where is your proof of 1 or 2. Where was Meuller's proof. We rummaged up alot of dirt .. on a fair number .. falsely accused others .. tried to set up others Papadopolous being the prime example.

    Folks like you are running in fear .. duck and cover under the desk .. the Russian's are coming ... completely oblivious to the propaganda, BS, Lies, False Narratives .. that are thicker than thick.

    Then we combine that with attacks on core principles of liberty such as freedom of speech, press, information .. and now a massive censorship effort.

    And that is exactly what Russiagate was used to justify. I don't give a hoot about Trump - you know this - and clap loudly when I criticize is numerous blunders and idiocies.

    This is not about Trump - he is the clown that distracts your attention during the show - and I'm not willing to sacrifice these freedoms on the alter of partisanship - to get Trump.

    You want to talk dirty deeds - election tampering, influence to our electoral process by foreign actors, - Putin and Russian Oligarchs are way down on the list.

    Have I not suggested you google Edward Bernay's - "Propaganda" and told you about the multi multi billion dollar business it has become ?

    Oliver Stone just did an interview with RT - voice of the Anti Establishment movement - which you need to join.

    https://www.rt.com/news/479584-stone-hollywood-censorship-money/
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    You have been hoodwinked. Just look at the link you have provided. A Russian propaganda organization, Russia today.

    The Russian inference wasn’t just throwing dirt at Hillary on social media and hacking into computers. A great deal of it has also been to spread Russian propaganda to Americans. It appears as if they have gotten to you.
     
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    1. The President hasn't been proven to have cheated.

    2. A majority does not support conviction in the Senate. Inclduing independents, who lean 2% for aquital.

    3. It's a strange dictatorship that results from refusing to do something most people don't support.

    4. Impeachment has helped Trump's numbers.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rather than address the message - you spew Ad Hom. I post directly from RT for a reason. Like a hook - to see if the fish will take the bait.

    RT is not only a site where propaganda can be found - just like CNN is not all propaganda either. Obviously you know nothing about RT ..other than the "Propaganda" you have been fed.

    RT is where the anti establishment is given a voice .. Ron Paul, Oliver Stone, Tulsi Gabbard. Perhaps you do not like that voice .. the voice of American's that dissent from your opinion - but .. matters not what you think of those people or their opinions- that's not the point.

    The point is that if you want to hear the other side of the story - that is one place where you can go.

    Lizzy Warren just showed herself to be an Establishment scuz bucket - that is the message you want to run from. "OHhh .. but that was Russian Propaganda .. Lizzy did not really say that" - is what you are inferring in this mindless fallacy land.

    Problem being .. is that Lizzy did in fact say - what RT reported her to have said - and in fact the article sugar coated how bad it was.

    Would you like 10 western sources that say the exact same thing .. and in many cases Judge Poko far more harshly ?

    "Russia, Russia .. Putin is Coming .. duck and cover" - you have all the symptoms someone who is under the influence of far too much State Sponsored Koolaid.

    Give up that poison lizard ! Join the AE movement :)
     
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    I love when you guys tote out the "75%" thing.

    "Would you prefer a fair or an unfair trial?"

    It boggles my mind that at least 50% of people wouldn't want an unfair trial.
     
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    The number of those who do want an unfair trial is directly correlated to the number of Trump blind followers who would support him even if he stood in the middle of 5th avenue and shot somebody.

    I could have expressed the whole part in italics using just one single word. But I have been asked not to use it.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know right.

    Looks like 2 out of 3 in this photo are blind.

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