The World to Come

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The statement of yours I quoted in my post you are responding to. Specifically I asked for evidence and you responded with-

    That's not evidence.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I cant take the time to read through all of those links. Just copy and paste the part that identifies these sanctions. Another person making the same claim, without any specifics isn't much help.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dixon's binoculars?

    bag head kopiera 2.jpg
     
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  4. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess you are waiting for the Whine House to claim,
    “We did not have sex with that woman meddle in that country!”
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, I'd never admit any such thing. Do you have any examples?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Would of taken you much less time and been more effective if you had sim-ply dragged your mouse cursor over the relevant text and pasted it here. I did read the first one and there was nothing there regarding these sanctions.

    Well now theres a word with specificity. "Meddle". Sure we meddle. Verbally saying we support the new guy over the old guy is meddling. But doing so wont determine the outcome. And Venezuela was in the same place before we did. And other incidences of meddling didn't cause Venezuela to become an economic basket case. WE were their biggest customer who always paid cash. OUR corporations are the ones who lost the most through nationalization of assets. No, we didn't create the mess that is Venezuelas economy. They did that on their own.

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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    Given that it's an ideology it will likely always exist. The point was that the USSR was defeated and there is no longer two 'Superpowers'.
    National Socialism also exists and, like Communism and Fascism, it takes many forms. Their commonality, no matter what the name chosen, is greater state control. Some are done incrementally and others with rather sudden force but the outcomes -state authoritarianism- are all much the same.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol:Who defeated it? Your answer is going to be a hoot without a doubt. :laughing:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Recognizing the usurper, the self-proclaimed president is the point, thank you.

    Guaido is not elected by the people, yet you and Washington and EU pretend that he has lawful authority to do so. Like so many others, you mock the rule of law.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Precisely. I don't know about you but I think this story smacks of the American Mafia protection plan. "You've got a nice country here bub, it would be a shame if something bad should happen to it. I know you agree with us about Venezuela, right?"
    It is one thing to judge from afar (without personal experience) but it is another to feel the noose, to see white turn to black with your own eyes. My country has gone from an avant-guard champion of Democracy to a lap dog of War-Shington. It just goes to show what well-planned infiltration and a well-chosen murder can accomplish. To think that Sweden would allow clandestine CIA planes smuggle out suspected terrorists through our airports, to put Julian Assange on an international arrest warrant for an already admitted non-existant rape case, and agree to accept the ousting of the elected leader of Venezuela.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pardon me for butting in. I know that some sort of proof or projected (other) example pertaining to any issue is preferred. So what about the petrodollar? So much has been said about the illegal invasion and execution of Saddam Hussein. It is common knowledge that WMD's did not exist and had been established as a hoax even before the invasion took place. But the petrodollar fact remains and is not going away. We know what happened and we know the results of it. And then there's Venezuela with the very same issue. What is the self-proclaimed motivation for U.S. manipulation there? Whatever it is I can assure you that "WMD" can be spelled in many different ways.
     
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    The US economy is great right now for the very wealthy. Everyone else..... not so much. The lower your income, the worse it is for you. The majority do no find it to be a good economy.
     
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    That is intervention and interference.
     
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    As far as I am concerned parliamentary leaders are elected by the people. To object to that is mere sophistry. There are other democratic models for electing an Executive than a Presidential one. They are no less democratic, except to a pedant.

    But we are "mocking the rule of law". Apparently.

    Bit it all reminds me of George Orwell laughing at 'letters to the papers from eminent Marxist professors, pointing out that this or that is a ‘miscarriage of British justice''.

    What do self-styled Marxists care for the rule of bourgeois law?

    To a liberal, the rule of law is only sacrosanct as part of a whole (call it a Constitution if you will but it is wider than even that) arrangement of governance. Do you think we support laws that take away rights? Do you think we support laws that underwrite the abuses of human rights? The concept that underpins a liberal rule of law is the social contract. If citizens are afforded certain rights by the State then this confers obligations upon them. If those rights are denied then the State's authority is illegitimate.

    In the case of Venezuela, it is now illegitimate as the Maduro Executive has undermined the very essence of a democracy in his persecution of political opponents. It makes perfect sense for the Head of the Legislature to take control to organise new elections.

    The concept of international law is even more ludicrous. That what is legal at the UN should be subject to approval by at least two tyrannical regimes, says it all. International law should be (and I make no apology for this) what it was post WW2, a struggle by Western democracies to impose, by consent or otherwise, liberal democratic systems of jurisprudence on international organisations and relations.

    The concern for law and constitutionality by people defending a Marxist regime, which imprisons its opponents and murders protestors on the street, is the height of hypocrisy. The dishonesty of it is incredible. It is what stinks about the Left. They gather to argue their high points of moral principle, as the people starve and the bodies pile up.

    How many secret policemen will you tolerate? How many Stasis will you let pass? How many must starve to death due to economic collapse before you relent? How many re-education camps will be too many? How many gulags? How many laogai? How many firing squads must kill your enemies? How many protesting kids must die at the hands of your soldiers on the streets? What's the number of people that should be imprisoned? What's the number of dead that a good revolution can tolerate, comrades? Is it 100 million? Is it 200 million? Tell us.

    How many socialist revolutions must fail before you admit that you've had enough chances, killed enough people, ruined enough lives? Your utopian dreams always end in murder, thuggery and criminality? Every time. Without exception.


    But no. You want to talk about the US Constitution and how many angels you can gather on top of a pin.

    What is unfolding in Venezuela is more communist killing, more communist starvation, more communist imprisonment of opponents... and we have our Marxist friends concerned with our liberal democratic laws and the constitutional justification of governments in free societies to recognise a head of a democratically elected legislature as an interim leader.

    And that's just communist countries. When we have to deal with leaders who shred trades unionists to death by putting them through a grinder feet first, who exterminate whole tribes such as the Marsh Arabs, or people who execute their opponents with anti-aircraft guns, or people who set up extermination camps in Europe in the 1990s, you will find our good leftist ideologues equally committed to such twisted jurisprudence as they come to their defence.
     
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    Any country which seeks to enforce regime change on another sovereign country by using overwhelming military force is 'Do as I say!' in my book, the most recent being Syria, and before that Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Vietnam. And I happen to believe Venezuela is in the sights of the White House. And although I don't know much about the background, here's one which nearly happened -

    'U.S. military planners estimated they would need 261,000 troops and between 10 to 15 days to invade Cuba, oust its dictator, Fidel Castro, and take control of the country, an Aug. 8, 1962, memo for the John F. Kennedy administration shows.'
     
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    True, and betrayed every moment.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :above: :nod: :above:
     
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    If Heraclitus advocated for society to live in harmony, you betray his ideals with your support for the US interference in Venezuela and its threats of military aggression which it practices around the globe. Pity.

    You are quite susceptible to western propaganda, wherever you may live and no matter your lack of knowledge of the US Constitution. Our propaganda machine is highly tuned and extremely influential, so I understand.

    :peace:
     
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    Yes, betrayed as predicted by Ben Franklin. Yes, betrayed by citizen's acquiescence to the actions of domestic enemies in elected office. More than acquiescence, thunderous applause for the Global War On Terror.

    Indeed, the old-timers were right: Liberty dies to thunderous applause.
     
  20. Heroclitus

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    Your trolling is crude and juvenile. It's quite unimpressive.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thank you, I'm glad you like it. Absent any reply from you of substance regarding the legality of Guaido's move and the US embrace of the usurper, I guess I've made my point.
     
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    This is so simply true (by sheer definition!) that it is absolutely astounding that one response was this > > >
    Perhaps Heroclitus' namesake can explain what he means by this comment and what makes yours "crude and juvenile"?
     
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    Is it a trolling tag team now?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, just a dishonest and sore loser, one who cannot defend his position in the debate, and is unable to admit the error of his ways.

    The actions of the US government are easily construed as criminal.
     
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    Don't now jump in a hole that you can not climb out of. Use instead the opportunity to explain what you mean by trolling, "crude and juvenile". Actually, you can begin by motivating your comment to me. What trolling have I done?
     
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