There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

Nope, and Biden will be glad to see Americans being killed, since he planned it. Or, alternatively, he will be happy to get his afternoon sponge bath and pureed carrots.

 

Evacuated how? You mean going into their homes and forcibly pulling them out?

At this point I don't know if this could have been done better or not. The purpose of this thread is to try to find out.

Maybe later we'll know. But that will be hindsight. If you know of something we could be doing better NOW, tell us right NOW. Tomorrow that will also be hindsight.

 

Who wouldn't leave? The contractors obligated to be there? Biden generously advised people on Sunday to contact the US embassy in Afghanistan, which was evacuated late last week. What a craphead.

 

The foundation of the "issue" is Trump wants Biden to resign so he can be reseated as POTUS. He has some diehard supporters who have been posting his comments about every step the Biden Administration has taken since they got in office.

Mind Game 101. What's the best way to rally support? Answer: Convince people there is a major problem that only you can solve.

 

As I was telling @Darthcervantes , I don't know if this could have been planned better or not. We know there would have been huge problems no matter what. The question is if they were foreseeable and fixable. I hope to find out through this thread.

 

Of course it could have been done differently. You pull the citizens first, then destroy the base, then pull the military last. That also makes complete sense. I have read he was warned. He abandoned Bagram base first then started pulling the military.

 

The point is that the troops should be the last to leave. The civilians should have been planned and started earlier.

 

Two handed straw grabbing is still straw grabbing.

 

I have no issue with the withdrawal itself, that should have done years ago. I celebrated both Trump and Biden when they said they supported it.

The issue was the execution. That the Afghan government was never going to stand up to the Taliban cuts against your point rather than supporting it. If you think this is only right wing media criticising Biden on this point you don't know what you're talking about.

Pretty much every private as well as national news outlet around the world is criticising the execution, as well as several Democrats, high level military officials, and intelligence officials.

 

Joe would not have micro managed the actual sequence/details of the withdrawal, his military leaders and experts would.

 

The British Parliament is just a bunch of far-right wingnuts that hate Biden. Biden has managed the pullout masterfully. Any criticism is entirely unwarranted.

 

Correct, and that's why Trump is colluding with the Taliban to make Biden look bad so that he can be reinstated.

 

They too are all far-right extremists who just want to make Biden look bad. The gents in this thread defending Biden's handling are the reasonable ones and everyone else is a dishonest, radical, wingnut.

 

Bwahahahaha! Thanks, I needed the humor.

 

Trump’s Deal With the Taliban Draws Fire From His Former Allies

Some former senior Trump officials now call that agreement fatally flawed, saying it did little more than provide cover for a pullout that Mr. Trump was impatient to begin before his re-election bid. They also say it laid the groundwork for the chaos unfolding now in Kabul.

“Our secretary of state signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban,” Mr. Trump’s second national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said of Mr. Pompeo during a podcast interview with the journalist Bari Weiss on Wednesday. “This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”

And in an interview with CNN on Wednesday, former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said that, while President Biden “owns” the ultimate outcome in Afghanistan, Mr. Trump had earlier “undermined” the agreement through his barely disguised impatience to exit the country with little apparent regard for the consequences. That included an October 2020 declaration by Mr. Trump that he wanted the 5,000 American troops then in Afghanistan home by Christmas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/19/us/politics/trump-biden-afghan-taliban.html

At the time the withdrawal agreement was made by Trump it was favored by most presidential candidates and a majority of the public. The flaw in its execution was believing it could be done in an orderly fashion that did not take in to consideration how quickly the Taliban took over the country.

 

Why were they not warned. It's not like Afghanistan has a 21st century information system. People have been promising to get us out of Afghanistan since 2008. A lot of them likely didn't believe it would ever happen and who can blame them.

 

Citations needed.

 

Sounds like BS to me, but go ahead and prove it....

 

It's bad, man...

And they're not necessarily unintelligent people. It's almost impossible to have a conversation with someone that hates on Biden relentlessly in every post they make. It's like having a conversation with an alcoholic.

 

The visa system for Afghans trying to leave the country had a backlog of 17,000 cases when Biden took office in January. After that the US embassy was closed for a time due to a spike in COVID cases.

 

That's a good question. Show me anybody, right-wing, left-wing, or turkey wing, who thought the Afghan government would resist the Taliban and stand on their own. Hell, show me anybody who even cared either way.

Looks to me like your making pointless strawman arguments to try and deflect away from the plain and obvious fact that the Biden administration has botched this horribly, and they continue to botch this horribly.

 

Biden would have to authorize it. That he is taking no action to help thousands of Americans and doesn’t care about the deaths by saying ‘that was 4, 5 days ago’ sure shows a President more worried about a legacy than human life. There is something wrong with Biden and I am betting we will see President Harris in the future.

 

The Embassy sent 12 missives that this will not go well but fell on deaf ears.

 

And today's continuing botchening will be ten minutes of teleprompter driveling followed by a cloud of cartoon smoke.



Enjoy the sleepy weekend, Joe.

 

The Afghan army fought hard and lost many more than we ever did. The disaster brought by Biden gave them no hope.