This is insane

Instead of virtue signalling DisSILLY ... you could have brought the nice old nun up to speed on mayor Pete's hatred for our founders. DisSILLY took your advice and slunk away slowly. Google must've been helpful.

 

Which U. S. government 'interference' in "Sth American politics" caused hundreds of thousands of 'migrants' to surge into the United States in 2018?

In January 1990, the U. S. forcibly removed Manuel Noriega from his dictatorship of Panama -- 29 years ago. Back in 1965, and earlier in 1916, the U. S. send troops to the Dominican Republic for a variety of reasons... some of which you might claim amounted to 'interference'. Is that what you're talking about...? Anything else of substance since 1990?

The real impetus for this 'migrant crisis' has a much more recent stimulus, starting five years ago, in 2014, when the "Messiah" Obama regime allowed a virtual "red carpet" reception for mobs of 'migrants' who surged over the border atop trucks, trains, and and by any other method they could use to get their alien feet on American soil. Why? To get on the "gravy train" of the big handout welfare 'circus' that Comrade Obama's minions were running in up here in America! Who wants to work when you can get everything you need for free?!

But, what actually happened starting less than a year ago to cause the resumption of all these caravans of invaders to surge all the way across Mexico into the United States? Why didn't they throw themselves on the mercy of Mexico if they were so desperate to get away from the horrors of "Sth America"...? Again, the welfare handouts in the U. S. were enormous compared with anything they'd get in Mexico (where nobody wanted them anyway)....

Answer: because the word had been out from the Rio Grande River to the Tierra del Fuego that the Democrat Party and its operatives in American courts and "immigrant advocacy groups" (the ACLU and other America-hating groups) would move heaven and earth to get as much of the population of "Sth America" in here to bolster its membership!

Now we're stuck with them -- hundreds of thousands more of them in less than a year -- and I blame Trump! He should have SEALED THE BORDER SHUT, forcing the Mexicans to disperse the mobs that massed along our border. Now we're flying and bussing them to 'migrant centers' all over the United States and spending billions of dollars that WE DON'T HAVE on this useless nonsense -- much as the Obama regime did in 2014. This is how a nation commits suicide!

. Waves of future Democrat Party members....

 

The "plan" needed to be nothing more complicated than securing and protecting the borders of the United States from invaders of all kinds -- criminals, welfare-seekers, fraudsters hawking "asylum", and others who have no damned right to be in our country in the first place! Nobody needed to be 'separated' from anybody else!

That "plan" could have been achieved by Trump declaring a national emergency (which we DO, indeed, have right now), and then SEALING THE BORDER SHUT -- to everyone and everything until the corrupt, vile Mexican government sent in its excellent paramilitary police force to clean all this sh!t up and back away from our border! Hint: Mexican business people of all stripes would start going bankrupt almost immediately after a border shutdown -- they'd be screaming for their corrupt government bureaucrats to get the mobs GONE as soon as possible!

Oh, but, Americans must (MUST) have their cheap avocados and asparagus, plus commerce to support all the off-shore operations of American companies who went off to every craphole in the world, including Mexico, to make their products. And now we've got THIS situation. We will never recover from it. The ONLY hope remains that of closing the border and keeping it closed until Mexico cleans up the 'migrant' mess on THEIR side of the border!

 

PI has learned a new term that was in vogue a .year ago. He is learning. PI thinks the FF were perfect.

 

Don't know who the "FF" you're talking about? O r who the "FF" you're talking to? But you random outbursts of gibberish, akin to Tourettes(?) certainly fit nicely into our theme: "This is insane" ::

 

Don't irritate yourself trying to analyze Jake's little eruptions. I've seen many of them, and like most hyperlibs, he speaks and thinks a truncated, abbreviated form of American-'English' suitable to a community that never treads very deep or very far into any subject.... I don't know for a fact that it's true of old Jake, but many people use such devices to hide:
1. Their lack of understanding of the subject.
2. Their unwillingness to explain anything (especially when such an explanation might entail revealing total ignorance, in full view).
3. Their embarrassing inability to spell words in English, or, to use such words correctly in the first place.

It would all be inconsequential in the grander scheme of things, of course, but for the fact that such people are allowed to VOTE....

 

Of course you don't. You simply don't comprehend simple terms is the point. FF = Founding Fathers, a general term for them that is well known.

 

You know Trump wants it both ways. His administration is renown for the fact that he says one thing and his advisors say the complete opposite. That way, which ever way the wind blows, he can claim credit and blame somebody else for the folly.

He is too stupid to realize that he, and he alone, is responsible for what happens. If there was a war with Iran, he would be responsible, not Bolton or Pompeo. Fortunately, he has backed down. Now he says it was all mistake and he blames the intelligence. The Trump White House was doing all the talking, not our intelligence.

Another way to put this is, he is morally corrupt. He does not have any strong beliefs. Combine this with his powerful, almost obsessive narcissism and a desire for showmanship and you have a very dangerous and incompetent President.

 

Bring our troops home. Let SA and Iran and Turkey figure a way to get along or not.

When we come home, we need to bring every Kurd who fought for us with his family if that is what the Kurd wants.

Otherwise, we are hanging them out.

 

Unfortunately you have a point in that Trump should fire Bolton and the rest who continue to push policy in opposition with his agenda. So long as he doesnt, the administration that he is indeed responsible for does not succeed.

No doubt, many will call him a dictator if/when he does, but such is the burden of leadership.

 

"Intelligent"? It would be illegal, inhumane, beyond stupid (as it would harm our economy tremendously) and would confirm without a shadow of a doubt that Trump had lost his mind.

At that point Texas would probably be the first State demanding impeachment.

 

You are confused. Who says they don't have a right to be in this country?

I could argue that they might have more of a moral right than you do.

What problem does Mexico have on their side of the boarder? Other than the one that Trump has caused on both sides.

 

If you think that citizens of other countries have some kind of "right", whether "moral" or of some other kind, to just barge into the United States of America for no reason other than that they simply FEEL like doing so, then we cannot possibly have a discussion about the topic.

You are obviously a person who doesn't believe in national sovereignty, rights that are reserved for citizens, or national borders. You internationalists will turn the entire civilized world into a 'septic tank' nightmare full of "Proles", reminiscent of George Orwell's "1984". And, you are welcome to try to do that -- after I'm dead and gone. I hope you LIKE the results of your misguided labor....

. "Get the damn FOOD in here, Gringo!"

 

You are extremely confused. Where in the world did you get this idea that they have "no reason"?

Refugees have a reason and they have a right! This right is guaranteed by our law and it's guaranteed by human decency.

I believe in the law! I don't think you even know what the word "sovereignty" means.

What "rights" do you think are reserved for citizens? There's the right to vote. There's the right to be elected President that refugees don't have. And there are a handful of other rights that we have as citizens. But most rights in the Constitution are for "the People of the United States". Not just for citizens.

You're trying to argue about something you know nothing about.

 

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!

1:25 PM - May 19, 2019

What an idiot. This guy is our President. Good Lord.

 

Turns out, according to the WSJ, this was all a big mistake.

Fox News reports, "But intelligence collected by the U.S. government appears to also suggest that both Iran and the U.S. may have misread each other as being offensive rather than defensive, the Wall Street Journal reported.

"Iran apparently thought the U.S. was planning an attack on Iran, which prompted the regime to prepare for counterstrikes."

I told the government that last week. The "intelligence" no doubt came from the Trump White House with the good graces of guess who.

Fox adds, "At the same time, some within the Trump administration say that the same intelligence also suggests that Iran was planning to strike first. Such intelligence may have formed the basis of Pompeo’s claims during his meeting with the Iraqi top brass."

That is the most insane statement yet.

Hogwash! Trump has done this several times before. He creates crisis after crisis to distract from his myriad problems on the domestic front and the inability of his administration to govern.

 

Trump doesn’t know enough about anything to be an instigator. It’s all in Bolton’s hands and Trump only knows how to pay off porn stars. Like most Ill conceived wars, they’re started by people who aren’t held accountable because the admin is too naive to know anything. Bolton is just a Cheney chicken hawk protege . We should all be very concerned. Bolton was too war crazy even for president Dick Cheney.

 

With some element of truth, you are distorting reality. Noted is the fact that you, as usual, did not provide any sources for your far right rant.

It is true that Iran supports Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and the Shiite militia. They are Iran's allies much like Israel is our ally.

Let's put this in perspective. Israel receives over $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America's entire foreign aid budget. We also provide Israel some of the most sophisticated weaponry in the world, and our fighters and bombers stand ready to give Israel assistance if she is attacked. That is far more monetary assistance than Iran's proxies get a year. https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/usaid.html

Israel continues to threaten Iran with extinction. “This situation will require Israel to intensify its intelligence efforts in Iraq, with the possibility of taking operational steps there if Iranian proliferation becomes a military threat”.https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190215-israel-threatens-to-attack-iran-bases-in-iraq/

Now here is my question. Is the U.S. responsible for everything the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) does?

Is Iran responsible for everything Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and Shiite militias do or do those organizations have their own leadership and their own agenda?

Also, you missed my point. The Iranian government hasn't attacked anyone in over two centuries.Trump would have us believe the Persians are suicidal and are going to attack the most powerful military on the planet. Ridiculous.

Also, The U.S. invaded Iran's neighbor in 2003 and touched off an eight year war. Sixteen years later our troops are still there, just across the border from Iran. Try to imagine Iranian troops along our southern border then you can understand why Iranians are upset with the American government.

In short, you left out a few things. The lesson here is, don't get carried away by Trump's mindless rhetoric.

 

May I suggest you read what Pete said about one of the US founders? You’re misinterpeting his stance.

 

The Iranian nuclear agreement, or JCPOA, had one goal: Keep Iran more than a year away from the capability to build a nuclear weapon.

"Designing an agreement that would assure it would take Iran a year or more to “break out” and make the fuel to build a bomb — giving the United States, Israel and others plenty of time to respond — was the driving force behind the 2015 nuclear deal that was negotiated under former President Barack Obama."

According to the IAEA, tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear activities, that deal was working when Trump withdrew the United States from it in May 2018, calling it a “disaster.”

Iran had shipped roughly 97 percent of its nuclear fuel out of the country, leaving only a modest stockpile, and was obeying the limits on producing more. But now that deal is gone and taking its place are threats, increased sanctions, and warnings to our allies to respect Trump's new sanctions.

Now Iran is threaten to do exactly what Trump did ... leave the JCPOA.

The United States insists on “zero enrichment for Iran,” according to Brian H. Hook, the State Department’s special envoy for Iran. That would assure Tehran could produce no new nuclear material, and thus never get closer to building a weapon than it is now.

Which is exactly what the JCPOA was doing when Trump pulled us out the agreement.

"It was a telling moment in a strange, circular week of mutual threats and missed signals between bitter adversaries." Due to his incompetence and naïveté, Trump has boxed himself into a corner. Trump has insisted that he could confront Iran without leading to a military conflict, but, of course, he does not tell us how. Other officials in his administration have, effectively, set a red line that they said Tehran would cross at its peril.

“We are restoring deterrence while working toward a new and better deal,” Mr. Hook said. “We lost deterrence under the Iran deal.”

Really? Trump remains confused. No one has specified what kind of reaction — military or otherwise — would be ordered if Iran built up enough of a stockpile of uranium and took other steps that would cross that threshold.

Welcome to the Trump administration, a headless creation lacking purpose and options to achieve that purpose if it had one.

The New York Times assisted me with this post. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear-deal.html

 

I’m not one for conspiracty theories but this makes interesting reading in the context.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html?gtm=top

 

No, I'm not misunderstanding, or misrepresenting mayor Pete. Iconic US statesmen who owned slaves are being systematically demonized by pandering liberal politicians. Pete has no inroads with minority voters, and so he's feigning outrage to create a false impression. I'm always amazed by Aussie's who portray that they're knowledgeable about American cultural clashes. It's next to impossible in this country to become objectively educated on such subjects, so I can only imagine how misinformed liberal Aussie spectators must be. Though you are dropping a few hints already.

 

Actually, Trump is meeting with his debt holder.....

 

My calculation suggests Putin owes Trump more than the other way around. So much in fact when Trump is thrown out at the next election he’ll already have hotels in Moscow, St Petersburg etc on the drawing board.

 

Trump will go to war with Iran along about September or October of 2020 once it becomes evident that he is going to lose the 2020 election. He will then seek to 'suspend' the election for the duration of the "emergency", Iran is Trumps Reichstag Fire.