This should shock us all

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Asylum is a right everywhere. All countries have the obligation to accept refugees. Not just the United States.

    I don't "think" it's a moral duty. It's the law!

    You will never know it if you rely exclusively on the right wingnut media as a source of information, though. Their mission is to misinform their audience.
     
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    Then why is it a law in the States? Does the Constitution say that the government of the United States has the moral duty to help foreign nationals? Help me understand.
     
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    Didn't happen her dad in fact signed off saying she was healthy during the same time frame. The minute she showed symptoms they started treatment and then life flighted her.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-or-who-arrives-in-the-united-states.547535/
     
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    What if some anti illegal immigrant activist poisoned those bottles and left them there? Should the "boarder" patrol leave the bottles there?
     
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    Yes!!!
     
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    Where does it say that in the Constitution? Quote it.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    She was not under the custody of her dad. She was under the custody of the boarder patrol
     
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    You’re emotions are clouding your ability to think rationally. Can you back up your absurd claim that I don’t think it’s wrong for the 7 year old girl to die of thirst?

    I do not pick and choose morals. Don’t project your behavior on me.

    Yes, that and the fact she has abusive parents.

    Yes it is sick that some in this country created the environment for something like this to happen. And then blame others to assuage their guilt.


    Stop putting me on. Your smarter than that.
     
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    1st Amendment!

    For example
     
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    And as soon as she showed symptoms she was treated and then when treatment failed she was life flighted.
     
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    It seems to me the 1st amendment is merely about people's freedom of speech. It says nothing to the tune of, "the government of the United States should take care of foreign nationals".
     
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    I opened the thread to answer the question. Read!
     
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    Even if there is such a law, it does not mean it's a good law. Seems to me this law needs to be struck down. It is not the government's duty to take care of another nation's citizens.
     
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    Easy! Because your only response was to accuse me of "picking and choosing" morals. Why else would you do that?

    Nobody "picks and chooses" morals. It was your statement. And it's nonsense, but I was just following the "underlying idea". You "pick and chose" ethical actions that correspond to universal morals. And dismissing the death of a 7 year old, from thirst, while under the custody of an authority, is immoral in an absolute and universal sense.

    If you are trying to claim ignorance as an excuse, it's not going to work. There are few parents more loving than refugees who are willing to risk their life to get their children away from imminent death. He simply never expected that the thugs they were running towards were just as criminal as the ones they were running away from.

    Which country do you think created that environment?
     
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    That's bull crap. Boarder agents know that people who walk the desert arrive dehydrated. They just didn't care. Nor do the agents that destroy the water caches. They need to be held accountable.
     
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    Mexico and the people who dwell in it are largely responsible. And please don't say that the CIA or other parts of the USA government "caused" it by "meddling" in their affairs. Mexico would always be a sh*thole regardless.
     
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    For not treating some one who was asymptomatic? Yes all the friends of those who drop dead of a heart attack should be arrested for not taking them to the hospital the day before.
     
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    "Merely about freedom of speech"? Have you ever even read the 1st Amendment?

    Why do you want me to quote the Constitution to you? You obviously don't care about the Constitution enough to even read it!. So why are you asking about it? Is it that it's the "fad" among right-wing extremists, and you don't want to feel left out?
     
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    Thieves don't believe that laws against theft are "good". Murderers don't think that ;laws against murder are "good". So why would it surprise us that a right wing-extremist doesn't believe that laws that protect the life of people (especially children) are "good"?
     
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    Why the outburst? And I did read the constitution, at least the part that I thought was relevant, aka the 1st amendment.

    Again, I will repeat: the 1st amendment does not say, "the government should take care of foreign nationals". Sorry I just dont see it.
     
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    Despite your screaming (and comparing me to criminals), it still did not address my point. Again, I will say this: why is the law a good law to you? Why do you think the government should grant asylum to foreign nationals? And please spare me the " its a humanitarian crisis" talk. Just because your heart is bleeding, it does not mean the government should start taking in the world's refugees.
     
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    I asked "Which country do you think created that environment?"

    And you respond...

    Oh.... my .... God!
     
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    Yes. Mexico is largely responsible for itself being a sh*thole. Why is this shocking?
     

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