Tropical Storm Dorian: Puerto Rico braces for possible hurricane

You are the ignorant one if you can't figure out it's FEMA's job to get the supplies to people who need them and not put them in a dock. Aid needs to be delivered and how many times have right-wingers and tRump claimed aid was given up to $91 billion, when in fact $11.2 billion was spent and apparently some of that money was spent to spoil supplies.

Why do you keep blaming people who don't have roads open to distribute supplies? Some still don't have electricity and it's been nearly a year.

The fact is you want to blame the Puerto Rican people for tRump's failures. He has the military and they are managing to get to the Bahamas asap. If you can't supply an island, what can you supply?

 

Wow.....are you nucking futs? If PR could not deliver the supplies, how in the freak do you expect a bunch of outsiders to do it? How do you expect a bunch of people that work on ships to deliver them? Why do you keep blaming people that were actually delivering the needed supplies to the island for the failures of the PR Government?

Actually, never mind. I have a low tolerance for ignorant people that bask in their own stupidity and want to incorrectly place blame on others because of their own asinine political idiocies. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

More like two years. How much did Florida get, that same year? Besides, you dont think those brown people deserve any aid at all.

 

The Marine Corps is waiting for the wind to die down in the Bahamas at this moment so they can move in and they have been waiting, because the hurricane is very slowly moving. If they put supplies in a dock and allow them to spoil, it's the stupidity of the person making the decision.

What connection is there between corruption and supplies spoiling? Your whole premise of total bullshit.

Prove who put the supplies there and how they knew they could be distributed. If you can't deliver the supplies, don't stick them in a dock.

With tRump and his minions, for all we know they could have sent spoiled supplies. Prove the supplies were good at delivery.

 

Like I told you over and over. They choose to live in Florida and I don't. The people getting the benefits of living near a beach should pay their own way for their own decisions. I can see a house being rebuilt that was destroyed by a random tornado, even though much of the country has very few tornados, but houses on flood plains or destroyed in hurricane territory should pay their own way. The insurance there should be from local funding and not subsidized by the government. If it costs too much to live that way, move.

 

You obviously have not endured a hurricane or the intense flooding that can happen. We lived many miles from the coast, and were not in a flood zone. Many in our neighborhood lost everything during Hurricane Flo last September. Flo stalled and dumped over 30 inches of rain on much of North Carolina, and the damage was not just coastal but many, many miles inland.

 

I've lived in Camp Lejeune, NC, Aiken, SC and West Palm, FL. We had a couple hurricanes do a little damage this far north, but nothing major. The Nor'easters further north are usually more damaging. Our beach areas are overdeveloped and are a disaster waiting to happen, it's just that we don't get many hurricanes up this way.

There are areas that don't have major disasters, like earthquakes, hurricane, major river flooding and swarms of tornados. Move there if you don't want to pay for the damage a natural disaster can cause. I can see wanting to use the fertile soil of a flood plain, but that doesn't mean you have to keep rebuilding your house there. Get to high ground and travel when you need to do things in flood plains.

If you build an expensive house on the beach that isn't protected by the obvious weather that can happen on a beach, I think you should be held responsible for damages. If you have insurance, it should be a tight pool and people far from the beach shouldn't be paying for your choices to build there.

Building in hurricane territory, beach, flood plains, get it? You right-wingers are always telling others to own up to their responsibilities, so you do it for a change and stop mooching.

 

I pointed this out to you once already, not everyone in Fl lives on a flood plain or near the beach. I'm 60 miles inland and the river is half a mile away. After Irma, the Peace river was two ft below the historical record. About 20 ft, it would need to be about 60 ft to flood me. Flood insurance is next to impossible to get in Fl. Only wind damage is covered. If you want to get on your soapbox, at least learn the facts.

BTW, you forgot to answer my question, Fl got little more aid than PR. The bad orange man must hate Fl too.

 

Camp Lejuene (Jacksonville area) sustained damage from Flo. Much of North Carolina received flood and wind damage 100 plus miles from the coast during Flo. The rivers overflowed their banks and small streams turned into rivers. Farming communities lost crops, and pig farms and chicken farms were devastated. It wasn't "expensive houses on the beach", it was hard working farmers, and locals who lost everything. Unless you were there....you have NO idea what it was like. I had neighbors who lost their homes. Although we sustained damage to our home, compared to many we were blessed. Not a single person I know who lost their home lived on "the beach". You are clueless...

 

Flood plains are by rivers, so figure that out and stop telling people who know more than you do. Try reading what people with knowledge tell you, because I've pointed this out before. Flood plains are not any place that can flood, so you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 

Is reading a challenge for you? I guess I could repeat myself but that seems a total waste of time. Not once, in the entire history of humans in Fl, has the river got within 40 vertical ft of the elevation of my house. Hello, I DONT LIVE ON A FLOOD PLAIN

Do i need to use BIGGER TEXT? DOES THAT HELP...AT ALL? I DOUBT IT.

 

Why do you think you know more than I do? Were you there during Flo? Do you know where the houses and farms were located? Those that I know who lost their homes, were NOT in a flood zone, nor a flood plain. They lived miles from the river, and had never experienced flooding before. We were told that what happened to our neighborhood would more than likely never happen again. It was a freak event because Flo was only moving 4 mph and dropped over 30 inches of rain and add that to the fact that NC had already endured a record breaking amount of rain during the summer before the storm hit.

 

Flood plains are certainly areas that can flood....that is why they are called "flood plains". There is the 100 year flood plain (now called the 1% flood chance) that is regulated, and the 500 year flood plain that is not regulated. There is also the Flood Way, where the river channel will move to in a flood event.

Many major cities are in a flood plain. Many in a flood way. If you proposed that houses can not be built in a flood zone, a hurricane zone, an earthquake zone, a slide zone, a fire zone, a tornado zone, or a tsunami zone, there would be very few places people could build.

 

I left Lejeune in Jan, '74, but I did watch the hurricane hit that area.

If you live on a barrier island, I'm not clueless and I have taken a Geology dept. Physical Geography, which teaches you about all the structures on Earth, including how coastlines are made and barrier islands are made and changed with time. The course even includes weather or anything physically happening on Earth.

When hurricanes approach, they have trucks ready to do electricity repairs.

Let's say I live 400 or so miles north of the Carolinas and have very low risk of such bad weather. Why should I pay for your choice to live where you live? It's really a simple question and maybe people would be making more logical choices if the whole expense of disasters fell on them. Those mountains near there are good.

I've known of people losing homes in the North Carolina barrier islands and it's got to happen again. They're like temporary land. Those islands can do major changes rather quickly and a house isn't going to stop it.

The real issue is why should I want to continue to give help to areas that deny aid to other US citizens, based on their ethnicity. If that's how you treat others, then enjoy the same from me. You support the Orange Man nonsense.

 

It takes a true moron to attempt to lecture a 5 th generation, native Floridian, on the nature of flood plains and hurricanes.

 

Listen well. A flood plain is caused by a meandering river/stream/creek, period, so it has to be next to those bodies of water, period.

Can you read? I've said that many times in this thread and people like you keep changing things, posturing you are right, when you can't get anything right and keep talking about a flood plain in ways it doesn't exist.

I also lived in Florida and went there on vacations. Those aren't major rivers in your state and your state is rather flat. Look around the Mississippi if you want to see flood plains in their glory. Even large streams/creeks can have small flood plains that aren't fit to build on. The ground is telling you the water has been there and probably will be there again, so don't build on it.

 

Maybe this will help, though I doubt it, very much.
The house next to mine was built in 1902.

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The Peace River is a river in the southwestern part of the Florida peninsula, in the U.S.A..[1] It originates at the juncture of Saddle Creek and Peace Creek northeast of Bartow in Polk County and flows south through Fort Meade (Polk County) Hardee County to Arcadia in DeSoto County and then southwest into the Charlotte Harbor estuary at Punta Gorda in Charlotte County. It is 106 miles (171 km) long and has a drainage basin of 1,367 square miles (3,540 km2). U.S. Highway 17 runs near and somewhat parallel to the river for much of its course. The river was called Rio de la Paz (River of Peace) on 16th century Spanish charts.[2] It appeared as Peas Creek or Pease Creek on later maps. The Creek (and later, Seminole) Indians call it Talakchopcohatchee, River of Long Peas.[3] Other cities along the Peace River include Fort Meade, Wauchula and Zolfo Springs.[4]

Fresh water from the Peace River is vital to maintain the delicate salinity of Charlotte Harbor that hosts several endangered species, as well as commercial and recreational harvests of shrimp, crabs, and fish. The river has always been a vital resource to the people in its watershed. Historically, the abundant fishery and wildlife of Charlotte Harbor supported large populations of people of the Caloosahatchee culture (in early historic times, the Calusa). Today, the Peace River supplies over six million gallons per day of drinking water to the people in the region. The river is also popular for canoeing.[5]

There were many Pleistocene and Miocene fossils found throughout the Peace River area, eventually leading to the discovery of phosphate deposits. Most of the northern watershed of the Peace River comprises an area known as the Bone Valley.

The Peace River is a popular destination for fossil hunters who dig and sift the river gravel for fossilized shark teeth and prehistoric mammal bones. Several campgrounds and canoe rental operations cater to fossil hunters, with Wauchula, Zolfo Springs, and Arcadia being the main points of entry.

 

Age, education, interest. I've probably looked at 30 college Geology courses in the past year.

Do you know what a barrier island is and how new channels have been formed along your outer banks? Houses were lost during that and it will happen over and over as years pass. Barrier Islands are temporary islands and if you build on them, your building will be destroyed, it's just a matter of time. If you want to build that way, you pay for it.

Otherwise throughout the south, it's easy to get flooding due to massive rainfall, even sometimes without a hurricane. Flooding can become a problem as more land is developed. Soil type is also important for the amount of runoff.

I don't care what you were told, the Earth would have a record of previous flooding somewhere in your area, if it has happened and more than likely it has. New flooding is mostly caused by the land being developed in ways to cause flooding and they can determine that rather quickly.

 

Geez....do you just make stuff up as you go?

A flood plain IS NOT caused by a meandering river/stream/creek. That is a Flood Way. There are Federal Regulation preventing building in the Flood Way already. It is not impossible, but the house needs to be engineered in a fashion that it will not increase the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) upstream by more than 1%. The structure also need to be engineered in such a way as to survive a flooding event. This means piering, vents, or other structural mitigation. The structure also needs to be above the BFE by at least 1-foot. Some States require this to be 2-foot.

The Flood Plain is the spreading out of the flood waters once it leaves it's banks. For instance, if the flood waters gets to an elevation of 500 feet (the BFE), then everything adjacent to the river that is below 500 foot in elevation will be under water. This can encompass many, many acres if the ground is fairly flat....as is most desirable land that people build on. If the area is within a 100 year flood plain (basically, a flooding event that can happen every 100 years), then there are other considerations that must be taken into account. The house must be built with the finish floor at least 1 foot above the BFE. Also, there must be 1 square inch of venting per square foot of crawl space to allow the flood water to pass through and under the house to prevent the foundation from tipping. About 1/4 (if not more) of the houses in the US are in a Flood Plain. As I said, there are many major cities within a flood plain and some within a flood way.

Development in a flood plain has absolutely NO impact on future flooding. Future flooding is determined by the development in the Flood Way....hence the engineering requirements. Development in the Flood Plain DOES NOT change the BFE.

 

I love how you state obvious facts and assume you are informing others of something they did not, already know. Reminds me of a boy who learned something new in school.

 

If your house is destroyed, build it somewhere else.

You right-wingers deny global warming, even with satellite measurements, but it's obvious the flooding in the future will be worse than now. If you million dollar house is destroyed by a hurricane, then you pay to rebuild it in an area where it will eventually get destroyed again. Spend your own money.

My proposal is pay your own way if you choose to live there and stop begging for help.

 

Is that all you got? Assumptions of a person's political affiliation or personal beliefs? When everything you post appears to be politically motivated, it seem a bit hypocritical. Hint: not everybody that think you are full of sh it is a fan of Trump or deny global warming.

People that live in "danger zones" do pay for it. They pay in higher insurance premiums. Build a house in a flood way or a flood plain, it is mandatory to purchase flood insurance if your house is financed. As I said before, if you propose that people do not build in hazard zones, there will be very little land for building.

I guess, based on your posts, everybody in Puerto Rico, Florida, and New Orleans should just move out and all buildings just need to be destroyed..

 

My gawd, some people you cant reach. The house next to me was built in either 1902 or 06. My house was built in the 60's. How many hurricanes have they seen Gary? You seem to think every house in Fl was rebuilt every storm. Stop digging.

 

I've visit near that area in Lithia Springs and have traveled up the Hillsborough River from Tampa. I know the lay of the land in that area.

All places have their particular pluses and minuses and if the weather is so much of a minus that it outranks the pluses of living in Florida, move. You're living Florida and I'm not, so why should I pay for you to live there? Pay your own way. It's better than being ignored after a disaster, because you are Puerto Rican.

 

You never answered, how much did Fl get the same year as PR? Answer, virtually the same. Who has a bigger population?
I was born here, it's where i live. I dont need a visitor trying to lecture me on my home state.

As pointed out to you, homeowners insurance premiums are higher here.

Why dont you want brown people to get aid? They are Americans.