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That's immaterial. If he actually said those things, he was wrong. The fact is, the Electoral College is a work of genius.It protects the middle of the country from the mass hordes on the Coast.

 

I think this is demonstrated by the bipartisan immigration reform bill of 2013 - a bill that passed the overwhelmingly Democratic Senate, would have passed the Republican House (had not Boehner blocked it), and had $40 billion for southern border enhancement.

There are other important ways for undocumented aliens to enter the US. There are other immigration issues as well.

Dems aren't likely to give Trump billions of dollars for his nonsense wall while not getting any resolution of the numerous other highly related issues.

One way Trump could get $40 billion dollars for the border is to promote the bipartisan bill of 2013.

Dems have already tied themselves to that bill. And, in 2013 Republicans were willing to do that, too.

Actually, it's blocking representation from the urban areas where the majority of Americans live.

It's giving representation to corn fields and deserts when most of our serious issues have to do with areas where people live - our economy, our infrastructure, jobs, international trade, security, laws relating to how we live together (water, air, gun control, policing, housing, etc., etc.).

When people face real problems of jobs, food, housing, etc., they go to the city - where, urban infrastructure does the work of finding solutions.

 

When people face real problems...they go to the city to hide in the "collective". The solutions they find, always tend to lean toward a loss of liberty for the individual and an advantage of the "collective". That is why all of your socialists are urbanites. The Founders knew this. It is human nature. That is precisely why they set up the electoral college. That is why we are a Republic....not a Democracy. A Democracy is like two wolves and one sheep voting on "what's for dinner."

 

We like to call the "collective" civilization.

And, that's because that's what it is.

People don't go there to hide - they go there to work out the serious issues of humans living, working, worshipping, etc., together.

There are no socialists in the USA.

Those who want to escape our civilization move to unpopulated areas so civilization becomes less of an issue.

 

No, it doesn't block a few heavily populated areas' representation in the WH - it keeps them from monopolizing it and disenfranchising the rest of the country. Consequently, it requires presidential candidates to win the broadest cross-section of the vote.

Umm...cornfields and deserts don't get to vote and, needless to say, people in the city aren't the only people in this country who have issues that need to be addressed.

LOL - As someone who has lived in both the city and country all I can do is laugh at that. The part about food was particularly hilarious...

 

I said it blocks the representation of the areas where the majority live - the popular majority. And, that is absolutely what does happen. We get congressmen from Wyoming having more influence than representatives of each and every urban area in America. The result is that attention that urban areas need gets stifled.

People who become food insecure move to the city.

That's just a fact.

And, yes, there are no socialists in America. You can't name one. More importantly, you can't find them with polling. Statistically speaking, they do not exist.

 

That didn’t increase there access...it just made more people dependent on Medicaid

 

Theoretical mumbo jumbo and knee jerk liberal moral relativism. No one ever tried to cross the Berlin wall to enter East Berlin.

 

Oh there are no Socialists in the USA??? Have you been outside of your urban alley since the 1920's? That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in a long time! You need to get out of Chinatown once in awhile. Watch CNN MSNBC or one of your urban channels. Socialism is all the rage!!

 

I find it almost incredulous how inflamed conservatives & Republicans have become over illegal immigration, when the facts are that illegal immigration is at its lowest point in decades. And that's success, not something most people would regard as a "crisis." The discrepancy between what's real (based on facts) and what's claimed, is enough to make you question the honesty, the integrity and even the sanity of those in crisis mode. Maybe the issue isn't immigration. Maybe the issue is intolerance.

 

Yet, you can't name a citizen who is a Socialist.

Sorry. Statistically speaking, there are zero Socialists in America.

 

Bernie Sanders, Ocasio Cortez, are self identified Socialists. There are quite a number leaning left that are "stealth socialists".

 

Absolutely.

It's astonishing what Trump has accomplished by telling numerous debunked lies over and over and over again.

One thing is for sure, he's hitting the white supremacy chord as the down beat.

 

How TOTALLY WRONG you are. Norway & Sweden--both Democratic Socialist countries, have more personal freedom and protection of human rights than we have here in the U.S. Most Americans are ignorant of that fact. But, it's true.

 

No...

Try again

 

No, they are Democratic Socialists - which is definitely different than being a Socialist.

For example, neither of them promote the idea of government owning the means of production - a key defining feature of Socialism.

She has worked on such problems as the still ongoing Flint water crisis - an example of a social problem that has been shown to be present in more than just Flint and that comes from failures in government.

She is also in favor of all Americans getting healthcare coverage through solutions that have our capitalist free market enterprise system providing the healthcare.

 

Trump is a good example of where "sin can be [regarded] as holy." I'm rapidly approaching the point where I can't even see the rationale for supporting Trump for anything anymore. He's been such an inveterate, consummate, glib liar, he's disrespected everyone who disagrees with him, and he's a sycophant to Putin. What's in him to admire as American? Yet, somehow, incredulously, his base sees something there they interpret as admirable. I'm beginning to feel they are so much like him they aren't capable of distinguishing or admitting those things that make him un-American. Perhaps they are just as un-American themselves. Perhaps Trump symbolizes the ultimate freedom for anyone--any supporter--to be entirely focused on greed and self, without repercussion.

 

If they could finally go see a doctor, then they had access. What's the difference whether you're dependent on Medicaid or dependent on Mutual of Omaha, you still can't see a doctor without insurance coverage. Why are you judging Medicaid as worse or "less than" a private insurance company, who is in business not to care for your health, but to make a profit from you?

 

No they didn't, but that wall stopped movement in both directions. Nothing of value was ever shared across that wall either.

 

I've visited Sweden for an extended time and seen it. I've heard Norway is even better. I suspect all Western Europe could give America a run for its money on human rights issues, & probably win. America is a victim of its own propaganda.

 

I guess you know that liberal hero Obama has a wall around his house. And then there is Pelosi's wall. Lib politicians claim walls don't work yet they have walls.

 

Are you seriously suggesting there is any comparison?

 

Likewise....anti Trump people are good examples of those that are so in bed with the elite establishment they can't see the trees for the forest! Many over the last thirty years have noticed that , in spite of the fact we have a two party system, nothing ever changes! Government always grows and America outsources it's jobs! The system has been rigged for sometime and bureaucrats hold power over elected officials in many cases. Entrenched politicians owe their well being to lobbyists.Politicians become extremely wealthy at the expense of citizens. The Pelosi's, Clintons, Obamas have made their millions off government and little else. You Trump haters like it the way it is. You didn't flinch when Obama told the Putin man off-mic "tell Putin I'll have more sway after the election". They were all for the wall before they were against it. With them.....it's about power, nothing more. DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

I've no time for a "play on words".

 

Your obsession is noted.

You want to leave Fantasy Land and have an adult conversation?