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I don't mind solar and other alternative energies. I agree with the President(Obama) on an "balanced approach" to energy. But he never quite committed to it. I will commit to it. We should use some coal, instead of getting rid of all coal. We should use natural gas AND shaling, as it balances itself out and it will make Electric power even cheaper. And I'm a proponent of using nuclear technologies for development purposes, as long as we can protect the infrastructure.

If we use everything we have at our disposal, it'll give us a variety of tools never entirely dependent on one. And it'll help the environment in time as well.

 

Oh my. No wonder you found them in effective. Alternate energy generation has come a long long long way since then. This goes to the heart of what I have been saying about American climate change denial they are holding the country back. The real money in the future is going to be in alternate energy, energy saving and energy storage. Insead of grizzling about people making money off of gravy train hop on board. Every one else is. This recession is not something America can work its way out of it has to invent its way out

 

so how do you keep your water hot overnight and during 3 or 4 day rainy spells ?

 

Maaaaate all but the most rabid of environmentalists want a mix of energy source. Even the IPCC has that approach in its plan. it was the right wing America and in particular the Koch brothers who sold the myth that climate change action meant living in a cave eating raw meat

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See what I mean about right wing myths. You use blended power from multiple sources

 

The term alternate energy lacks any genuine meaning. Not when it blocks other less costly forms of energy.

This country so values your ideas they use money gathered at the trough of the public good will, aka taxes, to pay those who go your way and deprive all others of their way of getting energy.

To force me and use tax dollars to pay me to go a particular way, that puts millions out of work, makes no sense to me.

 

I hope he is successful. I really do.

Much respect for your service.

 

That is a damn fine post and I have but one problem with it; try NOT buying anything made in China for one month, most won't be able to go through a day without some dependence on a global economy. Drink juice in the morning made of syrup imported from China which originating in the orchards of Washington State and British Columbia.

Most economists agree that overall the US has benefited from NAFTA, except a certain demographic. But we have to face facts, neither Canada, the US nor Mexico is going to be able to compete manufacturing consumer goods. Where the greatest benefit has come to any of the three nations has been the high tech and communications sectors where "bright collar" workers are needed.

Some parts of North America made the adjustment, where education systems shifting 20 years ago during the dot com surge but even with that, the US struggles the most to fill high tech jobs, Boeing, Texas Instruments, Microsoft and a hundred others have to fill positions from out of the country.

Looking from afar I can only assume that the same demographic that wants NAFTA gone are those among the least educated, at least in post secondary specialties etc.

 

My guess is you profit from forcing others to carry out your willful construction to please you.

And attacking Koch did not gain you pals.

We feel pressured by our hypocrites. Want one named? Al Gore. As Al Gore lectures the world, at the same time he flies all over by Jet. And we learned his power bills stagger the imagination. it is like a prostitute demanding we end sex on our part. So long as they can make money, they keep doing it.

 

so what you are saying is you have to have 1 Mw of conventional power online for every Mw of solar or wind power so that you don't have brownouts and blackouts every time a cloud passes over. No wonder so many people in Australia live in energy poverty when the power companies have to provide twice the energy needed constantly. Or do you just have a lot of brownouts and blackouts while the conventional power supplies are brought online?

 

And about America holding its self back. Other countries are leaping onto Alternate energy and in the process upgrading the energy infrastructure. The technology you are using is now well over a century old. Is it not time to look at this structure?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco...ng-energy-infrastructure-stupid/#d4be6d7cd38d

Do you really expect to complete with China who have invested invested and is investing in multiple alternate energy sources. Don't go there with the tired false news about China building a new power station every day that is old old old news and has been superseded by plans to invest more heavily in alternate energy

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no wonder there is so much opposition when this is the level of ignorance

 

I see you didn't answer my question? Does blended power mean running a conventional power plant 24 and 7 in case a cloud comes over or wind stops or do you just have brownouts and blackouts and sit patiently in the dark while they bring a NG or coal plant online to make power ? I know how a power grid functions. Do you ?

 

Let's fact check the above.

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/usa/

 

Many claims are made by posters who have never really studied this at all. They have kept pace with Democrats propaganda campaign though.

 

Considering that Australia is one hot mess right now that they really should be the last ones giving advice. Politicians have devastated Australia with their green agenda, than God trump was elected or hillary would be headed down the same rathole

Fastest rates of Australians going broke since the GFC, figures show

More than 7,000 Australians went bankrupt in the March quarter, according to the latest figures from the Australian Financial Security Authority (AFSA), showing the fastest rate of Australians going broke since the global financial crisis.

Key points:

People struggling the hardest in Queensland and Western Australia
6,000 calls made in 2015 from financially distressed people
Redundancies, falling wages and house prices among reasons behind stress
Wesley Mission calling on Government to provide people with better financial education
Hardest hit were people in Queensland and Western Australia — the nation's once-thriving resource-rich states, accounting for most of the increase in individual bankruptcies.

Wesley Mission chief executive Keith Garner said that during 2015 alone they had received over 6,000 calls from financially distressed people.

Redundancies, falling wages and sliding house prices were among some of the reasons behind financial distress.

Mr Garner said Wesley Mission was seeing many people unable to meet basic needs and debt repayments.

"If the car breaks down — and the car isn't a luxury for many people, they need it for work — if the car breaks down, they can't deal with that," he said.

"If they get an unexpected health fund bill, it's difficult to pay it.

"Now when that sort of thing is happening, you really do have issues that you have to face."

 

Let me know when China has stopped building coal fired power plants.

We would have done ourselves a huge favor by going one hundred percent nuclear. We were once on the way to self sufficient where we had no need for alternatives.,

Who blew that up for the USA? The obstructive Democrats of course. Even now, they hotly contest the one power that works day or night, wind or no wind, emits no pollution, and is reliable.

 

until people start demanding it from store owners and managers, they will NEVER stock the items and make them readily available... I went to a local walmart with a group I was assisting, and we discussed things with the manager, and went over what it is we want to do and accomplish, and what were his concerns to putting american made goods in his store, and on high impulse areas that are usually reserved for other things... its not easy when the manager has to do what corporate says and they get planograms sent down how to do everything right down to a notch height on a shelf... we tackled all that and he gave our effort a try, he setup an "american made" section in prime real estate of his store, he gave us two weeks, we contacted the local media, had the journalists stop by, and it was actually a huge success, simply highlighting american made good products sold them out before they could get reordered for the next day... he sold more american made goods that week than the cheaper competitive things... and when I say cheaper, depending on the product it was sometimes just pennies, literally pennies on the dollar...

so it takes more than just saying you're going to do it... you have to DEMAND it from managers, and they have to hear it constantly that you wanted to buy something but there was no american alternative because they don't stock it... this is where you hold that cellphone of yours up, and say this is what I'm going to buy online, not from your store, because you don't carry it... thats the only way they get the message, combined with people actually buying it when given the option... so I realize its super easy of me to say just buy american made goods, but I get how difficult it is to find them in chain stores that make national deals, and I realize how hard it is when most carry the cheapest thing because thats typically what their customers make a priority over quality or manufacturing site... but until we reverse that, which we can ALL start doing today, nothing will change...

I can't be the only old person on this website who remembers nationalism... being american and buying american... seems to me the younger generations had it too easy and forgot you have to put your country first, but a couple copper pennies that you wouldn't bend over to pick up anyhow... we CAN change things, but it requires us to have the will to change them... seems people want someone else to fix it for them, and they don't want to take any activate participation in changing things... those in the middle to upper classes must start demanding american made goods, so production increases and costs are spread out more among each increased unit, and make them competitive for the americans who can't afford the luxury of buying with morals and values... but nobody ever wants to put the effort into things, they just want to be mindless zombies...

"all is lost we can't compete" is not the attitude of americans of my generation, thats the attitude of the last few generations who give up easy...

 

they drove the price of building Nuclear so high it is not cost competitive. NG is cheap and abundent but acording to the EIA

Coal may surpass natural gas as most common electricity generation fuel this winter


After declining for several months, the share of U.S. electricity fueled by coal is expected to slowly begin growing when compared to the same period last year. In contrast, the share of generation from natural gas is expected to experience year-over-year declines. Based on expected temperatures and market conditions, coal is expected to surpass natural gas as the most common electricity generating fuel in December, January, and February.
Natural gas had long been the second-most prevalent fuel for electricity generation behind coal, but it became the power industry’s primary fuel source for the first time in April 2015. Natural gas-fired generation has surpassed coal-fired generation in most months since then, and generation fueled by natural gas reached record levels this past summer. During the first six months of 2016, natural gas supplied 36% of total U.S. electricity generation compared with 31% for coal.

 

I did not answer because it is meaningless. It is like asking if you have to use both diesel and petrol in an engine to ensure they do not run out

It is in the area of power management with alternate energy sources that the rest of the world is leaving America behind. Because too many Americans wanted to keep the ageing crumbling infrastructure exactly as it is you do not have the capacity anymore to blend power sources the way we can. Admittedly we still get some hiccoughs like SA but that occurred because most of the transmission lines were downed. Europe has megawatt wind power generators all over the continent and is managing to blend the sources

 

Walmart didn't spring up by accident. It won for specific reasons.

You are trying to raise a boycott.

And, boycotts almost always fail - especially when they are without any concrete near term objective.

 

Tell me about it. We still see costs for nuclear power defaults on our power bills here in the Northwest.

And, that came from failures in the 1970's!!

Read about WPPS - pronounced "woops".

And, nuclear waste is most definitely pollution - pollution that is deadly for huge periods of time and for which we have no plan. It's pollution that is hugely expensive just to move.

I'm not necessarily anti-nuclear power, but the reasons for backing away aren't small.

In fact, they included market forces that reduced the cost of electricity - making nuclear power too expensive to be successful.

 

Actually I did not say they do not have waste, i said they don't emit pollution.

We did have Yucca mtn and guess who stopped that?

Again, Democrats.

As the waste was to be shipped there, it too was to be encapsulated in a cocoon that lasts thousands of years.

Inside Yucca Mtn, you could store it and forget it.

 

And, I'm pointing out that deadly material that lasts for thousands of years IS pollution.

Pollution is not restricted to stuff that comes out of a pipe or a chimney.

You mention where we are (roughly) on a pollution solution. But, it has not been accepted so far.

The WA Hanford site has leaked pollution that has now contaminated 270,000,000,000 gallons of aquifer. There is a million gallons of nuclear waste that is free and is seeping toward the Columbia river, expected to reach the river in 12 to 50 years if it isn't cleaned up. That project has been put off to 2040!!

There is a vitrification facility (Bechtel, first contract at $4.5Billion) that is supposed to be under construction, with billions having been spent. They have run into technical problems and they think it could cost more than another $100Billion.


Yes. There is nuclear pollution, and it is a gigantic and not solved.

 

you don't answer because the answer is you have a 1000 Mw Grid and are using 500 Mw of wind and 500 Mw of solar unless you have an extra 500 Mw of NG or coal up and running and a cloud comes over your solar farm your entire grid goes into a blackout. Where I am right now it is dark and the wind is not blowing so if I were on that grid I the power comapny would be needing to run 1000Mw of coal, diesel, NG or other fossil fuels or I would be sitting in the dark

 

Three Mile Island is another type of problem that needs to be solved.

In the end, the actual direct damages were not that large.

However, the uncertainty, lack of protection for humans, the cost of impact on property values and lives, and the possibility of significant direct damage mean that those living anywhere near sites planned to be used for nuclear power production have a LOT to be highly concerned about.

 

Are you suggesting that fossil fuel power plants run at full capacity or zero, or that grids must be 100% based on renewables?

That's not my experience at all.

Significant areas of the nation tend to have higher power needs during the daytime and especially when there are no clouds.

And, our Paris agreement doesn't require ending production by any means - including coal!