Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI

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  1. Bluesguy

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    There was no Russian meddling and he was cleared of any. He had every right and a duty to be talking to foreign officials. What crime did he commit in doing so, oh that's right you have failed to point to one despite dozens of request. And the FBI said he didn't lie nor was deceptive and his plea was withdrawn after the proof of the prosecutorial abuse came to light. There is no standing plea.
     
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    Lol there was no Russian meddling? Is that a joke?!
    He admitted his felonies under oath many times. IG found no abuse.
     
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    It ends there. If he can’t make his brother AG then why should he be able to pardon him?
     
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    No (practical) Royal Prerogative of Mercy down here! (Technically yes, but I can't recall the last time it was used.)
     
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    LOL, he plead to lying to the FBI under duress. He has never been charged with anything else. Irrelevant as Sullivan has just dismissed the case.
     
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    Finally!
     
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  7. Bluesguy

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    It's is ingrained in your government. When you get rid of yours let me know until then don't profess to tell us we should here.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Try making some sense next time.
     
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    The FBI investigated Flynn and Russian meddling and anything illegal and they found NOTHING. And they issued the report BEFORE Comey sent the agents to interrogate him. What crime were they there to investigate? There was none. They were on a perjury trap expedition and by their own notes failed at it.
     
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    He with drew it the plea with the concurrence of the DOJ, he was never convicted. And we know the plea bargain was under duress and under prosecutorial abuse to begin with. And what he said was not material to anything, to any crime or ANYTHING. And they knew what he has said in the phone call already, word for word. They FBI agents abused their power to even be there asking him about such matters it's none of their business. Give up you got nothing now.
     
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    We hace restrictions on family in the cabinet, why couldn’t we have them for pardons?
     
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    The russia investigation didn’t end in 2017.
    Their notes only indicate how good a liar flynn was. Probably reason enough to continue investigating him. Again the IG already said the Flynn investigation was legit.
     
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    It is not 'ingrained,' at all. I can't find an example of when it was used. I note that it can ONLY be used in cases of clear proven innocence and the Defendant must have exhausted all normal appeal avenues.
     
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  14. Bluesguy

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    Absolutely it is act passed by your country. And it is totally at the discretion of the governing authority. When you get rid of it let me know and until then bone up a little on your own government and stop trying to preach at us.

    From 9 years ago
    "While there seems to be no comprehensive record of pardons granted for Commonwealth offences, there have been some notable cases:
    • In 1942, Stokers Albert Gordon and Edward Elias were sentenced to death by court martial for the murder of Stoker John Riley on HMAS Australia. (As the Australian Government had by an Order-in-Council unconditionally transferred Royal Australian Navy ships to the control of the Royal Navy during World War II, they were subject to the British Naval Discipline Act 1866 which provided that murder was a capital offence.) After an unsuccessful appeal to the High Court, an appeal was made to the King who exercised the Royal Prerogative of Mercy and commuted their sentences to imprisonment.
    • In 1968, John Zarb was imprisoned for two years for failing to comply with the National Service Act 1951. An unsuccessful appeal to the High Court followed, and his case became a focal point for anti-war protesters. In 1969, after receiving advice from the then Attorney-General, Governor-General Sir Paul Hasluck remitted his remaining sentence on compassionate grounds. Brian Ross, also jailed for two years for refusing to comply with a call-up notice, also had his sentence remitted by the then Governor-General following an inquiry into the matter by Mr Justice Smithers.
    • In 1979, Anastasia Artopoulou was granted a free and absolute pardon by Governor-General Sir Zelman Cowan on the basis of evidence she was thought to be able to give in a prosecution for alleged social security fraud. Attorney-General Durack also granted immunities from prosecution to a number of other witnesses in the same case. Ultimately the Crown withdrew Ms Artopoulou's evidence. This is an interesting example of a pardon granted, prior to any charge or prosecution, to a person who might be implicated in a crime on condition that they provide assistance to the prosecution.
    Information provided by the Attorney-General's Department indicates that since 1990 the Governor-General has granted four free and absolute pardons to people who had been convicted and fined for Commonwealth offences under corporations, electoral and taxation law. The Governor-General has also granted a number of full and partial remissions of fines, most commonly on the basis of financial hardship.
    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...w_clemency_and_the_Royal_Prerogative_of_Mercy
     
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    Non-sequitur.
     
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    The investigation into Flynn's Russian involvement ended in 2016 and declared he had not violated any law or engaged in collusion. It said there was no reason to continue any investigation. But Comey for no reason at all sent agents to interrogate him on false terms trying to get him into a perjury trap. Their notes indicate he was not being deceptive, which they are trained to pickup, and did not believe he was stating a falsehood, to be a lie it must be a knowingly made falsehood. For it to be perjury it has to be material to a crime.

    Again what crime were they investigating? Why were they asking him about an innocuous, routine conversation of which they had a FULL transcript of everything said and nothing that was said was illegal?
     
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    I don’t wanna say then just say so
     
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    Notes only say he didn’t show signs he was deceptive, but they knew he was because they had the transcripts. IG already said the investigation was legit.
     
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    There ya go.....not used confetti like as it is in the USA.
     
  20. Bluesguy

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    " The Governor-General has also granted a number of full and partial remissions of fines, most commonly on the basis of financial hardship."

    So if you don't like pardons deal with your own country and don't preach about what we should do.
     
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    And they did not believe he thought he was not speaking truthfully. And that exculpatory evidence WAS WITHHELD. Don't be surprised if some US Attorney's get charge here. The IG was not privy to all the evidence and was limited in what he investigated. We KNOW now that the FBI had cleared him. We KNOW they went there to set him up. We know there was no criminal investigation, there was no crime. And you keep dodging. Why was the FBI there, going around all the proper protocols to do so, asking him questions about his perfect appropriate conversation with the Russian Ambassador?
     
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    I don't like pardons for anyone, anywhere, except in cases where clear innocence is established and the Defendant has no further avenue of appeal to the Courts.
     
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    IG had all the evidence the DOJ had a year later lol
    Again, quote the agents saying he didn’t lie. You can’t! Because it’s made up!
     
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    Nope and could not even interview persons who had left government employment. The evidence of prosecutorial abuse, the withholding of exculpatory evidence and evidence tampering, came out after the IG investigation by Powell's lawsuit. Durham is now investigating this abuse of the rights of a citizen.
     
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    You saying Powell had info the IG didn’t? Lol
    The DOJ is who gave it to her lol
     

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