Trump to States That Won't Share Voter Data: 'What Are They Worried About?'

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  1. Bluesguy

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    This will not be the last election. We have had at least 4 elections since plus any number of smaller local elections. The Democrats were crying Russian votes from hacking well lets see ifbthere were feaudulent votes and lets see if thie commission can come uo with reccomendations to protect the integrity of the election.
    You've still shown no way the information could be used for nefarious means.
     
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    Because I don't know how. This is an unnecessary exercise, and that is what I do know, and this is why I wonder what Trump's
    real motive is.
     
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    This is an necessary exercise.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Yes you can go in and get that public data, your voter registration is not private protected information nor are the sign in sheets and the polling places. Those are public records.

    No one say you don't have the right strawman. but just because you say it doesn't make it accurate.

    The committee is taking a long needed look at voter registration and voter fraud and that would include fraudulent votes created by Russia, so why your objections? With the recent opening of voter registration with lax identification and confirmation it is high time there was a national look into the integrity of elections and there is no rational reason to object.

    Protecting those voter roles from such hacking and fraudulent information will be part of the process.

    Well how self-serving of you to assign baseless motivations, but again they do not substitute for fact. This is a bipartisan committee that will look at all aspects of the election systems and merely make reccomendations for improvements

    Again give me the nefarious plans you claim Trump has up his sleeve and how they will manifest themselves.

    These are STATE voter roles there are no FEDERAL voting roles as you do not register to vote with the federal government.

    DUH

    But they DO already have your SSN and even your income data and medical data and host of other data.
     
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    This could help out the investigations into alleged Russian hacking which I thought you wanted to get to the bottom of? And this is vital information that needs a good review as to how all these new motor voter, and mail in voting, and attempts to keep voter rolls accurate are working and what isn't working and what recommendations can be derived. It is HIGH TIME the states got together under their UNITED STATES banner and took a good hard look.
     
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    Trump isn't doing this to investigate Russian hacking. If he was, then he would say so ,for sure. Nor is he doing this to protect us an any way and to make recommendations. The guy has reasons and none of these is it. Are you making this stuff up as you move along?
     
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    It's being done and information from this commission could add to it. And Trump does not head this committee it will issue it's own report and findings and the states can implement what they believe would help in their own states and hopefully improve the accuracy of the require routine purgings of voter rolls.

    I'm still waiting for the valid reasonable reason to object.
     
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    I am with you if what you say is correct. However, you can certainly understand my distrust for Trump.
     
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    It's essential to the integrity of the election process and shame on those who just don't want to know.
     
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    It's being done to find out how our election system is being handled by the states.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not using that premise as an excuse for this waste of taxpayer money.
     
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    You don't care if illegals are voting?
     
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    Of course I don't want anyone without a voters ID to vote. Unfortunately, Trump has shown that he not an honorable person and I do not trust him. So I would rather not spend millions of taxpayer dollars on this and other "projects", when this money that can be used for other things. He may simply want to prove that he won the popular vote, since that was his original purpose for this frivolous investigation.
     
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    Whether Trump is honorable or not, we still need to know if illegals are voting......unless you just don't care as long as the left wins that is.
     
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    That is exactly why I do not trust Trump. The left didn't win. My view is to require voters ID cards in order to vote, and that will solve the problem. This was the rule for years. Trump is just jerking us around with this exercise.
     
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    You don't believe it is important for states to be able to work together to better to purge voter rolls and prevent double voting without suppressing legal votes?
     
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    Absolutely the states should work together, and Trump should stay out of it.
     
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    I would agree, but the problem with a Federal Voter ID card would be fraud. Unless we put a system in place that identifies the government worker processing each ID, then putting in place the statutes that call for severe penalties for any Government worker processing fraudulent ID's.

    BTW the left didn't win due to a well thought out electoral voting system.

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    It prevented a president from being elected by a small areas packed with people where they give away the most free stuff.
     
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    The states do it through their union and the bipartisan commisson is doing made up of state and federal election officials are doing it not Trump.
     
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    Actually, the electoral college was formed to prevent heavily populated industrial states , whether they give stuff away or not,
    from dominating elections and the sparsely populated farm states from being shut out.
    Also, the problem with any printed document is that it could be fraudulent. The MV department of the states would sign people
    up for a voter ID card. It was the only way anyone could vote.
     
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    That Trump was moaning about the 3 million popular vote difference, even though he won, is troubling to me because he never backs off. Right, wrong, or otherwise, it is always a doubling down for him. He is not to be trusted. This is a waste of time, effort, and money.
     
  23. Professor Peabody

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    I never said it wasn't. Here's the problem with using the DMV..........

    Statutes need to be in place to ID every DMV employee signing up people for voting as well as sever penalties for signing up illegals to vote. Up to and including jail time and loss of pension benefits.
     
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    Absolutely. Agreed
     
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    FRAUD: RMV clerks nabbed in fake ID bust: In all, six accused of plot selling licenses to illegal immigrants.

    Four state Registry of Motor Vehicle clerks and two other people have been charged with conspiring to help illegal immigrants get false identifications — some of which were used to register to vote in Boston — in a blockbuster bust that state officials call “troubling and intolerable.”

    The clerks, who were employees at the RMV’s bustling Haymarket Service Center, have been placed on administrative leave without pay pending further review. All six were arrested yesterday and made their initial appearances at Boston’s federal courthouse. . . .

    Medina, Gracia, Jordan, and Brimage were employed as clerks at the Haymarket Registry of Motor Vehicles, according to authorities. Brea and Flako, meanwhile, conspired with the RMV clerks to operate the scheme, federal prosecutors say.

    Flako, who according to authorities is an illegal immigrant from the Dominican Republic, was the only person held after yesterday’s hearing. When he was arrested, he had a fake green card, according to prosecutors. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has a detainer on Flako, according to federal authorities.

    “His role in the scheme caused a number of false Massachusetts identifications and licenses to be issued, as well as false voter registrations,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Eugenia M. Carris. “His role was the document dealer.”

    I wonder how common this is? My guess is, pretty common.
     
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