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Turkey Closed Straits - Russia Blockaded - Has World War III Begun?

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Jeannette, Dec 2, 2015.

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  1. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I enjoy you pointing out every fault the U.S. has ever made ... some real and some exaggerated.

    I'm comforted by the fact the U.S. has done better on the world stage than any other country in the last 100+years. We aren't perfect. We're not batting 1.000 (baseball stat). But we're the best.

    You want to see a f----- up world? Let China be the top global power for a century. Or Russia. It would be Orwellian.
     
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  2. Yetzerhara

    Yetzerhara Banned

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    Your question solicited a very interesting response and I thank you for your open mind which invited it.
     
    Yetzerhara, Dec 4, 2015
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  3. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    It is already Orwellian, and nothing has brought this about faster than the "Twiddle-dumb, Twiddle-dumber" Insane Clown Posse of Idiot "W" Bush and Idiot Obama and the international central banker cartels that have tried to shove Russia into a box since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    Prediction: Russia will not (NOT) tolerate any country cutting off its right of passage in international waters anywhere on Earth.
    Hint: Russia has well-equipped ballistic missile sites in its Kaliningrad Oblast on the Baltic Sea. From there it can put "payloads" on any European city within twelve minutes after launch....

    Erdogan isn't sparring with a clot of old, ossified Soviet-era alcoholics in the Kremlin. No, this time he's got "a tiger by the tail", and he would do well to simply apologize and get on with life... while Turkey still has one....
     
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  4. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poor Obama. The guy just sits in the white house like an impotent puppet as those evil neocons run the country. He is such a good man and would do such good things but somehow Bush and company still run America and Obama has no say whatsoever. :roll:
     
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  5. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    Without a reason? So, when Turkish fighter shoots down Russian airplane and then Turkish citizen (trying to pretend he's a Turkman, but he's a Turkey's citizen) shoots at the pilot parashuting down and kills him - it's not a reason?

    I wonder what did you expect after that?
     
    MrFirst, Dec 4, 2015
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  6. goody

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    Nothing, a collateral damage...
     
    goody, Dec 4, 2015
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  7. Silver Surfer

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    The game Republicans play is easily readable. They simply play stupid and blame everything onto liberals. Like they have nothing to do with it. What’s more worrying, judging by this political forum, considerable number of Americans actually falls for neoconservative nonsense.

    'Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/

    I'm not even going to bring up a coup in Ukraine. Neocons are involved in the US foreign polices as much as Obama's administration is.
     
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  8. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    Collateral damage means accident, occasion. It's not that case.

    Air ambush for the bomber which didn't activate its defence systems and didn't have air-to-air missiles aboard (and one of the reason was exactly because it operated near Turkey's border), and which didn't threat the Turkish territory, is not an accident. We call that a treacherous attack.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Russian MoD released new video: Su-34 goes to operation armed with air-to-air missiles.

    [video=youtube;qBrDMVC0WmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrDMVC0WmM[/video]
     
    MrFirst, Dec 4, 2015
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  9. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a prediction for you, too, my friend: Now that the shirtless wonder in the Kremlin has tested his limits with the Turks and found out they're not going to be pushed around, he's not going to do anything that would get the Bosphorus closed, and worse yet, start a war with Turkey and NATO.

    Consider it a good thing that Putin has been informed of his boundaries. A man's gotta know his limitations. ;)

    Putin isn't dealing with some decrepit weakling that has to put up with his annoying bullying, either. There will be no apologies forthcoming, so it is best to just get on with life...
     
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    out of curiosity, who would even be turkeys ally if russia were to attack? does anyone stand with turkey anymore in the region?
     
    Darkbane, Dec 4, 2015
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  11. BestViewedWithCable

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    No its not.

    Your assertion is completely false.
     
    BestViewedWithCable, Dec 4, 2015
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  12. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That poster reflects Erdogan's views, and he is a known megalomaniac living in a world of delusions. Erdogan believes Turkey's destiny is to restore the Ottoman Empire. That Merkel feels she is dealing with a somewhat reasonable man, places her in the same category as Chamberlain...He too bowed to a megalomaniac in the last major war.

    Erdogan doesn't seem to be aware of Russia's military power, nor of Putin's resolve... but he will find out as time goes on. You can't poke a bear forever without a powerful response...and Erdogan was warned. This confirms what Putin said about Allah punishing him, by taking away his mind.


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  13. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never underestimate the stupidity of Nato. They will support the monster to keep down the bear... something they have been doing for a very long time. If it wasn't for Western Europe, Turkey and the former Ottoman Empire would have ceased to exist centuries ago.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putin knows that Erdogan cannot apologize, he's not stupid. If Erdogan did he would lose his followers in Turkey, who see bullying, obstinacy and blatant cruelty as a sign of power and strength. I think he wants to put Erdogan on a spot for his treachery and his deception...and also to warn him as to what is coming.

    So tell me Talon, who are these guys with Bilal Erdogan at the Ciğeristan Restaurant? The caption writes that the bearded one on the left is the head of ISIS, and the bearded one on the right is the head of Nusra. As for Baghdadi, rumors have it that he's recuperating from a wound at a hospital in Turkey:

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  15. Korozif

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    Err, no the Strait is Turkey territory, just like the St-Lawrence Seaway is Canada's. We can block it if we want and this doesn't means war with the US...
     
    Korozif, Dec 4, 2015
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said before, Jenny, I'm no fan of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was in bed with some of the jihadists in Syria. After all, he is an Islamist...

    That's a good question, because this is a photo of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi:

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    Clearly, none of the men in your photos is the head of ISIS. As for the head of JaN, I don't know what he looks like...
     
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    World War 3 has already started. The economic war started near the end of Bush. Obama Bush' teammate knew it the whole time. Other countries are threatening to abandoned the U.S. dollar. This means war, because our elect know that the only thing given the U.S. dollar value is American's. The sheer thought of it holding value is the only thing it is backed by. In reality it is only a piece of paper with ink on it. This is why our founders said there is to be no I.O.U. notes for currency. Unfortunately it was my favorite president that enacted a note. Abraham Lincoln.
     
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    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    In World War 3 we don't have a chance. :sad:

    Turkey will win.

    [video=youtube;80J0FCe69to]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80J0FCe69to[/video]

    Only Brad Pitt can save Mother Russia... :cry:

    [video=youtube;ZpJoMuuE3Eg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg[/video]
     
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    Let's get this straightened out right now:

    "Currently, according to the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits of July 1936, the Bosphorus is treated as an international shipping lane, but Turkey does retain the right to restrict the naval traffic of non-Black Sea nations." Link: http://www.istanbultrails.com/2009/06/do-you-know-these-bosphorus-facts-and-figures/ .... You can read more about this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits

    Hint: The Russian Federation IS a "Black Sea nation", and it was a Black Sea nation even long before the annexation of Crimea.

    The Turks are playing tough-ass right now, because they think that Germany, France, Great Britain, and Obamaland are going to back them up. For what? Ruthlessly ambushing an aircraft that was suppressing Muslim extremist factions in Syria? And even if the aircraft did cross into Turkish airspace for, at most, SEVENTEEN SECONDS, which has never been proven, how in hell did that justify shooting the airplane down? Germany is going to go to war with Russia over that?! Is France? Great Britain? Obamaland?
    [​IMG]. "You want me to get Germany into another war with Russia... over THIS?! Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing crazy?!"
     
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    JEANETTE; YOU ARE A LIAR! You are the biggest source of disinformation and false evidence in this forum !

    THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE OWNERS OF A VERY FAMOUS RESTAURANT CALLED CIGERISTAN (SHISH KEBAB RESTAURANT) LOCATED IN AKSARAY ISTANBUL AND THEIR OWNERS ARE JUST MUSLIMS.

    Restaurant website: http://www.cigeristan.com.tr/#menu2

    http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293974-d2680034-Reviews-Cigeristan-Istanbul.html

    https://twitter.com/cigeristan

    The photos were hacked by a hacker group called Red Hack from the computers and published. The hacker group then apologized for false information:

    https://twitter.com/cigeristan/status/472694611396554752
     
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    Do we suppose to laugh at your poor sarcasm effort? Some people need to grow heavy enough balls to start a war first, instead of detaining innocent "legal" workers !
     
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    I have checked the link you shared but cannot say the same thing for you as the information you provide in your above post is misleading since it lacks necessary information the users of this forum has the right to know. So the following quote is from the same link:



    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits
     
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  23. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wondered about the same thing, but remembered there were reports about Baghdadi being hit during a bombing in Iraq. At first they said he was killed with some other ISIS big shots, but later that he was wounded and in a hospital in Turkey.

    I can't recall where I read it, but if it was Voltairenet, than they are usually accurate... even though they do sound far fetched at first. Those photos were sent to a site, and they couldn't verify if they are accurate or not.
     
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    guys, the straits have not been closed to Russian traffic.

    this is all just anti-Turkish lies and propaganda coming out of the Kremlin and Greek nationalist politicians

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