Ukraine Bans WWII Victory Day Celebration Against Nazis

The German occupation of France, for instance, was decidedly pleasant, at least as far as occupations by foreign armies go. German officers expected their men to conduct themselves with respect and discipline, and any offenses committed by Wehrmacht troops towards the local populace could be reported to a commanding officer. German troops saw a deployment to France as a vacation, with opportunities to drink wine, relax in a café, visit one of Paris’s many bordellos, or chat with French women on the street (see Figures 7 and 8 in the appendix). While many French citizens were uncomfortable with Nazi occupation, they also readily admitted that things were bearable. Indeed, Henriette Dodd, a Frenchwoman who grew up during the war, stated that the American troops who liberated France were rowdier and less disciplined than the Germans, with heavy drinking, fistfights, and military police officers that often failed to rally themselves to keep the peace. Madame Dodd also recounted a story of great heroism on the part 2 of a Wehrmacht soldier. Dodd, a girl at the time, was walking home from school when a Royal Air Force plane flew over and began strafing the road, attacking the German soldiers walking near her. One of the soldiers pushed Dodd into a doorway to shelter her, and then collapsed from a wound inflicted by the airplane’s machineguns (Dodd 2014). The civilian experience on the Eastern Front, by comparison, was hell on earth. There were no restrictions limiting what atrocities German troops could commit against the populace. Theft, rape, and murder would go unpunished—these actions were at times encouraged by commanding officers. And, while French civilians were given mediocre rations, the Slavs were left to fend for themselves. All available food was requisitioned by the Germans to feed their own troops, leaving millions of Russians to starve. Many more froze to death after German troops took their clothing for protection against the bitter cold, and captured Russian soldiers suffered similar fates (Bellamy 2007; Merridale 2006; Beevor 199. Even anti-partisan operations differed greatly: Frenchmen suspected of involvement or collaboration with the resistance were subject to execution or incarceration. SS or Gestapo officers would apprehend a suspect and question him, with torture deemed an acceptable means to an end. Taking hostages also became commonplace as the partisan effort intensified, as did more violent reprisals. While somewhat obvious to the locals, the Germans nevertheless tried to keep these anti-partisan efforts clandestine, while simultaneously sending a message. In contrast, a Russian village believed to be harboring partisans was often burned down and its inhabitants shot. There were a handful of similar, extreme responses in the occupied Western countries, but these incidents were sparse when compared to the Ostfront (Eastern Front). Civilian massacres were abnormal in France, whereas in Russia they were entirely commonplace.

https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/asu/f/Smith, Ian B. 2016.pdf

 

Come on, that's not even a close example.

A better one would have been, "How many Germans did your country starve to death after the war" which is in the millions. The USA starved millions of Germans with for no good reason other than, why not.

 

Yes, well one reason could be that America supported, financed and succoured Pol Pot, one of my all-time favourite genocidal bastards, after being mightily offended by the Vietnamese. The West has also stood by and done nothing to halt the genocides in Rwanda and the Congo, so can your outrage and figure out what 'double standards' means.

 

Pol Pot, gotta give a guy props for killing over 50% of his own country.

That's honestly an extraordinary feat.

 

The same could be said about America. How many pointless wars, invasions and regime overthrows has America been involved in since WW2? How many nations, whose only crime was a difference of ideology or an unwillingness to take orders from The Master, has America bombed? 'Evil empire'? You bet, but I should take a look a little closer to home.

 

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_PolPot.html

 

I see that Ukrainians want to celebrate it.
Even though some thugs and their government try to intimidate them.

 

My grandfather was also murdered by the NKVD when Poland was invaded in 1939, but, y'know, life goes on, and I'm not going to be stupid enough to hold generational grudges against people I don't know, and who are probably long dead themselves. What would be the point?

 

poor thing, must really bother you too see us rulde and dominate and all others stomped into dirt where they belong

 

I have news for you, the more civilized natives died from the measles. Only the half breeds had immunity. As for others, they were savages and the farmers didn't like seeing their families skinned alive.

But most are still around, not only in the DNA of Americans, but in Mexico and Central America and invading us every day. Who do you think the Hispanics are?

Which reminds me of this brilliant Mayan I met. He not only taught himself Spanish, but English, Hebrew and Greek as well.

 

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it. As one intellectual German said, Berlin should not make the mistake Carthage made when it attacked Rome a third time, or it too may cease to exist.

 

Ah yes I can answer this one for you.

Why weren't untold numbers of Russians charged with war crimes of unfettered brutality? Whether it be in the government, prison camps or soldiers before and after the war. More than ample proof there.

It's quite simple. They won.

Meaning specifically only the losers are ever tried and convicted of war crimes that I can think of. War crime tribunals are kinda like a walk of shame if you will. Romans did that quite commonly. Paraded the losers through Rome then killed them or enslaved them.

Purpose of all that? to assuage the anger, sadness, and hurt feelings of the bloodthirsty populace.

No I'm afraid you guys can argue this Russian, German, US who is more ghastly till your blue in the face. I won't.

The sad fact of the matter is... humanity regardless of nation are all just a bunch of bloodthirsty beasties.

 

Oh. I Canada plotting their attack?

 

See the show "Monsters Inside Me." Pathogens killed most Amerindians after Colombus.

I am directly related to many American pioneers and frontiersmen since the 1650's. From what I've researched there was at least one confirmed kill of a Native by one of them who was 12 years old and being attacked by Natives. At least 3 of my direct relative were killed by Natives. I am also 1/64th Native American.

At least we American pioneers didn't have the typical custom of so many Native Americans of killing virtually every male they caught in battle and brutalizing them.

If you are related to the Normans, as you likely are, then your ancestors were hardly any better than the savages. Read up on the "Harrying of the North."

 

Pol Pot was the greatest Socialist/Communist that ever lived! He created the most perfect classes utopia on record. He was a Commie long before the CIA was ever established. That is just an urban legend about the CIA supporting Pol Pot during his genocide.

As far as African atrocities, it should have been up the African Union to go in and stop the genocides there. Shame on them.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Paris
1951, 26 years old Saloth "Pol Pot" Sar joins a communist cell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency
1947, CIA is established.


Be more accurate.

 

Pol Pot was born in 1925 (as Saloth Sar) into a farming family in central Cambodia, which was then part of French Indochina. In 1949, at age 20, he traveled to Paris on a scholarship to study radio electronics but became absorbed in Marxism and neglected his studies. He lost his scholarship and returned to Cambodia in 1953 and joined the underground Communist movement.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm

So at age 20 that would be 1945, years before the CIA was established.

Man, I hate being right all the time!

 

The one and only pointless war in the last century was the invasion of Iraq. We were asked by South Vietnam and in 1950 we were asked by South Korea and the UN to defend the South from invasion by the Communist North who was clearly the aggressor.

 

Really? Have you been asked by Yugoslavia or UN gave you a permission to bomb to the ground Yugoslavia? You have too short memory.

 

I would call that selective memory.

 

A lot less than 27 million. That's called "efficiency".

Victory Day has NEVER been banned in the Ukraine, and is still widely celebrated. This is Russian propaganda. It's amazing that propaganda that is so easily dispelled (seriously, do even a cursory look at Ukrainian legislation) can be latched onto. And I'm not just saying that to make a point, it's actually amazing.

And a quick note to all you Russophiles out there, Russia has already lost. They gained a slice of eastern Ukraine and the Crimea... and lost the entirely of the country. For good. They didn't want a pro-Western Ukraine, and their failure has all but guaranteed that very outcome. Russia is a spent force.

 

Do not underestimate chicks and cocks from government, things always can progress further. Now, apparently, they talk of integrating Donbass into Federation. War-torn, abandoned by couple millions inhabitants, filled to brim with not just ukrainian army and separatists, but also with volunteers, rogues and just murderers of all sort, bathing in blood in the warzone.

I am all up for stopping the bloodshed even if that means us, basically, occupying the region for a while - but I am a passionate humanist and my heart bleeds from knowing that people die there. If that would've been a Hearts of Iron IV party I would've called player who does so a self-destructing noob.

 

Ukraine: Immortal Regiment marchers pelted with smoke bombs in Kiev

While members of Immortal regiment were passing the office of Ukrainian nationalsis in Kiev on May 9, one of the OUN members targeted marching people with greanade launcher.

 

Police, of course, doesn't suspect any violation of law.

Targeting crowd with grenade launcher is absolutely legal in Ukraine.

 

No it means you weren't invaded.

Oh yeah! Just wait and see, the situation hasn't settled yet. In a few months Ukraine will be screaming about the raw deal with the EU visas. Did they really expect a better deal than what the rest of the nations have been getting from Germany?

Besides the EU is dying thanks to Germany and its master/slave mentality. People have no work in some countries, and Germany is living it up. It's only a matter of time.

As for Ukraine, Pres. Zacharchenko of the Donetsk Republic said during the integration meeting with Russia, their intent is to unite with their motherland. So it's only a matter of time before they become a part of Russia.

Poroshenko and the Nazis have screwed themselves big time with their actions. There are rumors that in his drunken stupors Poroshenko is crying that the US has deserted them, and Russia will never forgive them.

The only thing that bothers Zacharchenko are the people in Novorussiya that feel they have been left out of the process, and are still part of Ukraine. I don't know how he's going to solve it and free cities like Kharkov, Odessa, and Mariupol unless the fools in Kiev start another war... which knowing them they just might.

Stupidity is as stupidity does ...