Was the January 6 riot/insurrection defensible?

I think that it is patently untrue that just because people did not vote for Trump, means they will blame him for starting assaults on the Capitol, in which he played no part.

Also, he didn't lose the popular vote by anywhere near the size of the margin of those who see him as culpable, in January sixth-- as so did leader of the Senate Republicans, Mitch McConnell, in case you've forgotten. And McConnell voted for Trump!

 

True. He never had the popular vote. Not counting his first actual run (we can, like Trump, just pretend that didn't happen), he won without the popular vote the first time and lost without it the second time.

 

I wonder if the Orange Asshair would've made this argument if he been charged with seditious conspiracy.

"I was just so, uh, stunned that I ate french fries and watched TV for 3 hours." LOL!

 

I believe he lost because of an extended voting period and expanded vote by mail that turned into a bumper vote harvest.

 

I don't know why he lost but the bumper vote harvest is true. That was the most corrupt election interference I have ever heard about.

 

Until FBI comes clean about their involvement, IMO the the FBI and democrats "stage managed it".
There were guilty parties, but embedded agent-provocateurs could have become law enforcement agents and stopped it.

 

I agree, never seen anything like it.

 

The riot inside the Capitol complex was completely illegal and never should have happened. Whatever the 'motivation', they should never have resorted to violence to express their dissatisfaction with the election, the "steal", or anything else.

No, it wasn't an "insurrection", and charges that it was somehow a serious attempt to "overthrow the government" are laughable -- but -- the riot was completely illegal as it was carried out. It was NOT a peaceful 'protest'; on the contrary, it was a vicious, destructive, abusive act of mob violence that had to be suppressed, although the Capitol Police force itself committed some acts that were even worse in its retaliation.

Ever been in a country where an insurrection is taking place? Then you know that what happened at the Capitol on "Jan6" was no "insurrection".... It was a stupid, half-assed, vicious carnival, but it was no "insurrection".

 

He won 30 of the popular votes to Clintons 21 in the first one, the was no one big ine but 51 seperate and unique ones.

 

Please, again, try writing this sentence in English.

 

You probably won't like the message that way either.

 

At least it would be intelligible . . . and still probably his usual attack on our Constitution and our elections.

 

Sorry tablet typing as the waitress was taking my order.

But happy to oblige

He won 30 of the popular votes to Clintons 21 in 2016, there was not one big election/vote but 51 seperate and unique ones.

 

That's not what "popular vote" refers to, but why are you okay with Trump trying to completely remove 5 of those "separate and unique" state votes entirely, which no political figure in US history has ever done or tried to do before?

 

Those are the only popular votes that take place there is no one big national popular vote election.

Why was Al Gore only seeking to change to outcome in one state and not the entire nation when he was trying to overturn the election.

 

You can pretend you are not smart enough to know what the phrase means, but no one believes you are that unintelligent.

Al Gore wanted recounts. That's it. And there was evidence supporting the need for those recounts. Trump didn't just want recounts. Trump (unlike Gore) got every recount he formally requested. But now you are on record saying that any time someone requests a recount in a state (which happens in EVERY election and which Trump did SEVERAL times) that you think this is a violation of the Constitution. Weird.

 

Trump was so "stunned" that he watched TV for 3 hours.

 

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Good question. In my view it was a riot, not an insurrection. An insurrection is a violent attack on a government. Its purpose has always been to replace the existing government with something else. The revolution of 1776 was as an insurrection against the English government. The Civil War was an insurrection against the U.S. government. In each case the purpose was to remove a government in power and replace it with another. January 6 had no goal to bring down the government. It's purpose was to delay an election confirmation. That it became violent didn't change its purpose. It devolved from a protest into a riot like hundreds of other protests.

So is it defensible as a riot? Certainly not. Riots are illegal and shouldn't be tolerated. Is it defensible or describable as an insurrection? Not in my opinion despite the popularity of that opinion among the left. I saw no evidence of anything one would describe as an historical insurrection. It was a protest with the stupid desire to stop the election confirmation process, not remove the government or even harm the government. It wasn't an attack on government. It was a protest gone bad. It was a riot by anyone's definition. I won't bother to explain why this is important. You already know.

 

Yes, they peacefully broke into the Capitol, and wiped **** on the walls, and prevented Congress from conducting perhaps the most important administrative job that it has, and Congress had to evacuate the premises.

Only a "riot".

 

What you describe isn't even a riot. It is just an inconvenience. Riots involve violence and there was a little of that on that day. But there was nothing intended to overthrow the government and no actions that could have led to it. The riot wasn't as violent and destructive as the Antifa riots of 2020 but it fits the definition of a riot well enough nevertheless.

 

Oh, yes. They peacefully broke into the building and ransacked the place. They very peacefully overwhelmed the limited number of cops there. It was with extreme serenity that they were forced Congress to evacuate, and it was the exemplification of peaciness that left **** smeared on the walls!

It was a celebration of joy and tranquility!

 

You got all of that wrong.

 

You've convinced me! It was a lovefest and everyone hugged and cried tears of joy!

Congress only adjourned so that they embrace all of the happy patriots!