WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings (Vindman/Williams)

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  1. Egoboy

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    No, they just believe the intelligence services that are paid to make those analyses... and throw in a former Trump HSA to boot...
     
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    I think the evidence presented in the Republican opening statements and testimony was that it was a combination of both.
     
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    #basta
     
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    LOL, Biden is still in the race.
     
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    Oh I see. You take issue with the quote "Do me a favor" when it should have been "I would like you to do us a favor."

    So sorry.
     
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    They can charge him for wearing his red tie too often and make it stick...if they have sufficient votes. The bottom line here is to present sufficient proof of a crime by the President to the electorate, to begin swaying Senate votes toward conviction upon impeachment. There will be more to come. Contrasting that, the Trump cabal must convince the electorate, probably via the Barr/Horowitz/Durham investigations that the "Deep State" is real and the source of the 2016 election corruption.
    Based on evidence to date, I am betting on Schiff.
     
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    Vindman has already said his objections to the call were policy based, not legal.
     
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    "I was told to put a stop on the Congressionally authorized funding to Ukraine because X."
     
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    I don’t care if it was Republican or Democrat
    What trump did was Unamerican at least and criminal at most

    does anyone really want an president that is un American??
     
  10. MrTLegal

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    "Under advice of counsel and based on the ruling of the chair, I will not answer that question because it is an attempt to oust the whistleblower."
     
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    I missed some of that. But, I know of no proof that the conclusion of our intelligence agencies and the Mueller report regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election is false.
    If there is some, let's hear it. Personally, I don't think it's particularly wise for the GOP to run on a "Pro-Putin Platform" in 2020.
     
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    Except that this #BlueTide is turning into a #BlueWave.

    Tell your friends.
     
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    I think you misread my words. Trump isn't gonna fall on this sword and a compromise might be to offer up the acting Director of OMB as to my knowledge they were the ones who actually held the aid up, which is legal but the issue is they held it up past the point where they were required to notify congress why after 45 days to my knowledge
     
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    He'd have to include Sondland and Giuliani as well and claim they supplied him with false information.
     
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    LOL - Biden probably doesn't know what state he's in right now.

    As for Trump, I think John Durhan and Michael Horowitz have the proof that he really wants - the 2016 election interference by Democrats and their Derp State lackeys in Washington.
     
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    Claiming there is proof and actually possessing it are, of course, two different things. Their "reports" should be interesting.
     
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    I'm not betting on Schiff but i agree with everything else
     
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    So...when does your Cavalry arrive? Barr could end up as another Custer.
     
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    I just assumed Giuliani was a forgone conclusion at this point if Trumps route is to placate Democrats by offering up sacrificial lambs. Sondland too if necessary.
     
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    The cavalry has the high ground, the Senate. All the rest is useless skirmishes if you ask me.
     
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    I don't see how Mulvaney escapes...it's going to come down to him as the one who gave the order to withhold the aid. Gotta run errands...back in a few hours.
    Oh yeah...to get them to take the fall, he'll have to promise a blanket pardon for America's Mayor and probably give Sondland's donation back. Mulvaney?
     
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    He probably does imo but an optimist view would br that's probably a good thing after his verbal diarrhea about "got over it we do it all the time"
     
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    You think trying to strong-arm a foreign government into "investigating" your domestic political enemies in return for a WH meeting and military aid voted on by Congress is "foreign policy"?

    This shouldn't be news to you, but it's not.
     
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    Obama withheld 800 million in aid to Pakistan. Where were the calls for impeachment?
     
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    You mean the dem clown show narrative.
     
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