Well it's been fun guys. I'm off the Trump train.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by RiseAgainst, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. Mac-7

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    This is probably a true statment

    But the Comedy Channel is not a reliable source of info either

    The Boomer generation was very irresponsible and lacking in character

    sadly it passed all its bad habits along to the children who followed - aka millennials

    Which helps explain the decline of America
     
  2. RiseAgainst

    RiseAgainst Banned

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    I don't watch cable news.

    I heard the theory about Trump on pol
     
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    everything he has done so far
     
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    And you will support him if allows the Dreamers to stay.
     
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    I think he is/was our last chance to save America
     
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    I have often said I am willing to compromise on the "dreamers" because I don't think there is enough support for deporting them

    But I want trump to exact a stiff price in return for amnesty

    So my support for the deal is conditional on what we get in return
     
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    Congress is paying attention to the 73 million who voted against him.
     
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    If you are referring to anchor babies already here and have been their whole life, you are wrong. There are different situations when it comes to illegal aliens and that is one situation that should be dealt with differently.
     
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    Yes, I agree.
     
  10. tres borrachos

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    Just curious, Mac, and for the sake of consistency. Did you think Congress was snubbing the 69,498,516 million people (the American people) who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 by not voting for the ACA and by spending the last few years trying to defund it?
     
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    I think 73 million is high

    Trump is the president and hillary is not and that is the fact congress should consider
     
  12. RiseAgainst

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    You're a republican but you make these arguments.

    The reason I believe that is because I was born exactly yesterday.
     
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    Thats a fair point

    But obama got his support from the democrats in congress

    So obama voters were represented after the election

    Trump should be getting support from the republicans in congress for his agenda
     
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    No, I didn't vote for the Republicans in my election (Frank Guinta and Kelly Ayotte) to advance Donald Trump's agenda. The state contingency represents the constitutents of those states, not the President of the United States.

    There is nothing to indicate that the majority of Americans wanted to end DACA, and nothing to indicate the majority of Republicans share Trump's immigration panic. I'm sure you don't pay attention to polls, but the polls work against Trump and people like Coulter and the folks at Breitbart.

    I think Trump is very much aware of that too. He's not stupid by any means. He wants to get wins and be appreciated by the American public, not just the far far right wing.
     
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    Trump's back to his old self on Twitter today.

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    How is that whiplash going. Do you think we'll see you post "I am off the Trump train" threads in the future again? Do you trust him again 100% after this little episode?
     
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    The far right-wing is the only reason Trump got elected without us he wouldn't have made it past finish line and he knows it. We own him. that's why whenever he strays from us we condemn him and abandon ship and then he backpedals, every time.
     
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    Ego =/= wanting to go down in a blaze of glory. It could mean that, but it ain't necessarily so. Wanting to broaden his appeal is completely in line with caring about his ego. Plus, why duck out now? Little Trump knows if he sticks around long enough he might get to play army, and he'd hate to miss out on that.

    You assume he only cares about the approval of his alt-right base. They've proven they will pretty much stick with him through anything, and buy anything he sells them, so it would make sense that he's fine with playing a risky move with them. He's trying to broaden his appeal.

    Looping back to the whole "his base will buy anything he sells them" theme, Trump supported the invasion of Libya. That didn't play out the way he wanted, so he openly lied about supporting it, even though he was on camera doing so. His base bought it. He stated, again on camera, that American wages were too high and he wanted to see them lowered so we could be more globally competitive. That didn't play out well, so again he switched positions and lied about his previous position. The same goes for his support of government-funded, universal healthcare: on camera supporting it, switched positions, lied about it, base fell for it hook, line and sinker. So why not just do what he's always done? Test out another position to see how it works and just lie about it later if it backfires. This time he may have hit on the only sort of policy that the fringe right of his base cares about -- he may have overstepped -- but he sure has been conditioned to believe he can get away with anything around them.

    You are confusing image with integrity. No one claimed he cared about integrity; he obviously doesn't. Just image.

    Plenty of us warned Trump's fringe right supporters that he didn't actually care about them or any of their beliefs, and that he would ditch them once elected.

    Or who is being just as inconsistent, impulsive and image pandering as he's always been.

    Which brings us to the other reason Trump takes the alt-right for granted: he knows they'll make excuses for him if they don't like what he's doing.
     
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    I think 62 million is a sizable number of voters

    If you plan is to keep all the political power for yourself and make no compromises with the 62 million then you need ot think again
     
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    You're being baited ... don't buy into the hysteria. http://thehill.com/latino/350824-tr...-cannot-be-allowed-in-immigration-legislation Ryan has already put the brakes on Dems wet dreams. The RAISE Act is the GOP "starting point". The only "deal" Trump made was to sign immigration reform legislation approved by congress. Unless you totally oppose a provision for a pathway for permanent status for DACA, I think the end result will be a huge improvement. Don't get trolled.
     
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    I'm not surprised you aren't politically sophisticated enough to see how this works and what's going on.

    Sometimes Trump just needs a little guidance. And that's what his supporters are there for who helped get him elected to remind him. For as long as he wants to be president he does what we want and we're happy. The second he Strays from us we're gone and he's one term. That's the deal and Trump knows it.
     
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    You used the word "cucking". This is a white supremacist term. No one outside that rancid little universe uses it (except maybe porn sites).
     
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    Trump doesn't take guidance from anyone, least of all folks like you! He thinks you're suckers.
     
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    He's being watched by us closer than any politician has ever been watched before. One wrong move and he's done. And he knows this.
     
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    Well, you do have a point there as Dump hasn't done anything constructive as of yet. Even Ann Coulter is talking impeachment!
     
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