What do we Dems do with the House once we get it?

Pelosi should NOT get the gavel back. She should never have had it.

I don't think the D's will do anything. Having 1/3 or the gov't can't do anything. So, they'll be just like the current R house.
What they should try to do, is build bipartisan support and mend a divided house. But that is not likely.

So, I don't see much of a change at all.

 

I do agree there is not much a Democratic House can to, but reopen the Nunes closed investigation and do it properly, and of course send revenue bills to the Senate that will probably die there and stop the republican Senate from shoving Trump's agenda through.
I cannot support any effort to pass major 'bipartisan' bills as long as Trump is in that office. We cannot trust his word from one day to the next ( hell McConnell and Ryan can't even get two consistent and straight answers on both Monday and Tuesday on what he wants in a bill! )so any effort to reach agreement with the Senate will turn out exactly like efforts to negotiate Repeal and Replace or the agreement on DACA.

 

tRUMP is a lame duck. Let him act on it.

 

Can't think of much that will not require his signature, neither can Ryan or McConnell and being as he will deceive, lie and bully the 99 pound weaklings in the GOP, who Dems might want to deal with, its worse than hopeless to negociate deals right now. Its positively dangerous. We will do far more harm than good. Nobody we might trust to deliver on a commitment, can actually be trusted to do so. Nobody in congress has the requisite authority or power to deliver thanks to the man-boy who has the veto pen and a nearly 70-80% support among GOP VOTERS.

 

I don't expect anything done out of tRUMP.
Nor would I expect anything to get to his desk to sign. But at some point, the 2 sides need to be headed back towards the middle.

 

Yes, and I am a big believer in compromising to get major legislation passed. I believe in electing enough congressmen who will move to the middle, that something can get accomplished . its what has been going wrong for the last 20 years. Its the only way forward. I just think it is a mistake while Trump is a decisive factor. And as long as he has the GOP scared of his shadow, he is by definition a factor

 

That only applies were both parties have the same objective.

Ex 1. Obamacare. The clear objective was to blow up private healthcare and usher in Single Payer. Since the GOP didn't want to destroy private healthcare, no compromise was possible.

Ex 2. Tax cuts. The objective was to stimulate economy and create jobs. Since this would be a winning issue for the GOP, and specifically Trump, the Democrats could not sign on to any of it.

The Democrats are at war with the GOP. Their wacko "resistance" mob-base doesn't even want Democrats to try to woek witu Trump.

War is zero-net-sum. War ends when one side loses.

 

You've been duped. On purpose?

1. The ACA was so bad, it was going to be repealed immediately. 7 yrs the R's had, to get a plan together for their day in the sun. They got nothing. tRUMP, nothing.
2. Tax cuts when the economy is humming along? To stimulate near full employment economy? LOL.
2a. Remember the 8 yrs prior? About the deficit? As of 2017, deficits don't matter again, to the RW. Not that they ever did.

Political parties aren't at war. They are in disagreement. But duped people listen to their echo chambers where they hear about a war by Americans of political disagreements.
Those being duped are part of the problem. And yes there are many many of them, both sides.
But it is only the RW side I hear talk about the enemy and war with their fellow Americans.

You've been duped.

 

Hey I would entertain a single payer system if it can be shown to work and be sustainable in one of our states. Then we would need to amend the Constitution in order to give the federal government the proper authority. Or other states that want it could do it. Heck they could even combine with other states to increase the pool. Nothing is stopping them.

 

Hardly....
1. The GOP RINOs and never-Trumpers are spineless, that's why they never repealed it.. (Duhhhh...)
2. The economy was in the 1% catagory when Trump was elected. That's not humming, it's sputtering..
2a. Yes, after allowing Obama to double the national debt. the GOP RINOs gave Democrats everything they wanted in the last budget.. Do you have a point?

If the economy was humming along under Obama why was Food Stamps at a record high? Many less need food stamps now.
Why was the labor participation rate (actual employment) so low compared to it's record high under Trump?
Why was consumer confidence so low compared to how high it is under Trump?
Why was small business confidence so low compared to it's record high under Trump?
Why was manufacturer's confidence so low compared to how high it is under Trump?
Why was business investment tanking under Obama and then turn around the day after the election?

Yes, Democrats are at war with American prosperity.. You can close your ears and sing to yourself but it doesn't change squat.
The old saying "The best way to make a Democrat into a Republican is to give him a job" rings true.
These idiots started talking impeachment before Trump was sworn into office.
They used the FBI in a failed attempt to steal the election from the people.
They purposefully put screaming idiots into the Senate confirmation hearings... (You didn't think those America-haters sneaked in did you?)
They threaten Senators for even having a meeting with future SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh.

Democrats can't run on working with Trump to make America better. Their only chance is to make America Suck enough to get themselves into power.

 

I'd be for using Unicorn tears to cure cancer if we could just find the Unicorns.

California is the most liberal, and the richest state in the Union. They found that it was absolutely impossible. They found that the healthcare budget alone would be about twice the current budget, meaning a 200% increase in their budget....

 

1. Face it. R's are worthless in congress. Actually most all of congress is worthless. It's just now, with all the smack talk about what the R's will do when the get power, is all smoke.
2. The stock market tripled in 8 yrs. Unemployment was under 5%. The economy was hardly sputtering along at the beginning of 2017 and end of 2016.
2a. The R's are adding to debt and deficit. Spare us the hypocrisy. And the economy is humming along, as you say, and the USA is going further into debt. Thanks to tRUMP and all the spineless R's.
And soon, with all the stimulus in the humming economy, wages will inflate, prices will inflate, and interest rates will inflate. So the debt and deficits you R's are adding will cost even more.
tRUMP and tRUMPers are spineless. What talk and work is being done to make the healthcare system better? Answer, NONE.


As for the food stamp stuff, ever hear of the great recession dealt to us? Lots of people lost jobs and wages. So, social network programs came to the aid.

 

Well if they want it bad enough they should be willing to pay the taxes for it. Of course then they will realize that nothing is free and the rest of us can go along and mind our own business. Considering California's economy size and population, if they cant make it sustainable none of us can.

 

They should become the party of the People again, including white working people.

But what they will probably do is to emulate the McConnell boys, and have a meeting to agree on voting against anything trump needs their approval on. Even if it serves the best interests of their constituents. To keep him to just one term.

 

Or for the trump people to elect globalist GOPhers.

Both parties are globalists. One reason the GOP did not want trump.

 

So lets put the economy back in doldrums with everyone wondering if they will have a job next so you can have "free college" and "free healthcare".
Tell me how to you propose to get the colleges to make their tuitions free or maybe income- & academic performance-based graduated-tuition?

 

Simple, just order colleges to give away their product for free. Same for doctors. Force them to work for free.

See? Free college and free healthcare problem solved!

 

All we need is free food, shelter and clothing and we'll be in Communist Utopia.

 

Maybe we can get some free government!!

 

NO.. NO..

Everybody else works for nothing... Government needs money ..

 

Its not our job to get his agenda passed. Its his. The GOP has a majority in both bodies and the oval office. If he can't come up with the votes with those odds, its his failure. If you don't like an obstructionist tea party strategy to regain seats, talk to the GOP congressmen to wrote the memo defining stopping Obama as goal # 1. We are just good students.

 

Your response to my post had nothing to do with my post.

Do you wish to comment on it?

 

Actually it suggests an alternate theory and explanation as to why they may have a meeting to agree on voting against "anything trump needs their approval on" Its called a caucus and these meetings happen frequently especially before major votes and they include a plan on strategy to oppose ideas with which a party disagrees. These caucuses are over a century old and Republicans caucused to stop Obama from having legislative wins, including on proposals I might define as 'serving the best interests of constituants' . See what Trump seeks to accomplish, is not likely to meet the same definition as what Dems think meets as a definition of that phrase.

 

I never said or implied that Republicans didn't play politics. I specifically mentioned Obamacare and the tax cuts (I think it was this thread) because there was no middle ground, as the 2 sides had completely different objectives.

 

Compromise can still be found with some objectives are different. Fact is that is often the case in partisan politics, yet compromise on major issues, has a long history in Congress. BTW, I don't trust you to describe my party's objectives on much of anything. You conservative types guys tend to oversimplify and stereotype our ideas and our motives.