What is Christian Morality

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  1. Hawkins

    Hawkins Active Member

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    Christianity is about what could possibly happen after one's physical death. If you don't have the intelligence even to get to the answer of this, how reliable your intelligence is to reach any possible truth behind death.
     
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    Christian morality is basically an immoral position.

    Christians condemn people for the same actions that they forgive their God for doing and that double standard shows clearly that their moral sense is defective and lacks true moral value.

    For instance, Christians morality condemns men for genocide, yet forgives and condone Yahweh when he uses genocide.

    Christians morality would condemn men who can cure instead of kill and choose to kill yet forgive and condone their God for killing instead of curing.

    That need for a double standard of morality makes Christianity an evil condoning religion.

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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This answer is about as unintelligent as it gets and shows no knowledge of the teachings of Jesus. The question is not about what happens in the afterlife.

    The question under discussion is what moral values does Christianity suggest for the time we spend here on earth.

    In addition - if you want to get into how one gets through the pearly gates; While this is not the subject under discussion it is related as the majority of Christianity believes (and the teachings of Jesus suggest) that actions here on earth will affect whether or one makes it through the pearly gates.

    How reliable is your intelligence in relation to Christianity when you do not even know that there are two different salvation formulations and that these formulations are in contradiction ?

    If you like I can trot this out for you (should you be interested in your eternal salvation) but, for the moment, I am interested in what is the morality suggested by Christianity. How are Christians to treat other people while here on earth ?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not the one confused... It is Christianity that is confused. If you read the OP .. the NT portion is focused on the Sermon on the Mount.

    Perhaps is you that does not understand what this sermon is about. It is not my fault that the God of Jesus contradicts the God YHWH of the Israelite's.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you going to address the question of the post or just keep spouting insults from the peanut gallery ?

    You are the confused one if you think that the OT is not part of Christianity. While I personally agree that the OT should be relegated to the trashbin, as did some early Pauline Christians, what you or I think has nothing to do with what various Christian groups believe.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not according to Fundamentalists who are forever quoting the OT in relation to moral positions.

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While this may be your opinion many Christian denominations disagree with you. Are you saying the Fundamentalists are wrong ?
     
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    Christianity never said humans were angels. In fact, some Christians believe we are born in sin. Christianity is all about striving to do good not evil. Turn the other cheek, love your fellow man, etc. Just because many fall doesn't mean Christianity is somehow hypocritical.

    Come to think of it, I have always thought that Religion is for those who don't seem to have the same amount of empathy for other human beings as others. Some people seem to have a natural ability to empathize with others and, for those who don't, religion (especially Christianity) attempts to teach them how to relate to other human beings and provides a stable, moral compass.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Evil" is a relative term. One Christians evil is another Christians pleasure. (Alcohol for example).

    The beliefs of various groups in Christianity are indeed hypocritical - especially the Fundamentalists. Would you like a few examples ?

    Is this how Christians Love their fellow man - "Kill the gays" ?
     
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    Yeah, to a moral relativist.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a nonsense reply. What does whether alcohol is forbidden or not forbidden (evil or not) in Christianity have to do with moral relativism ? and hypocrisy in Christianity ?
     
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    No. But Im certsinly willing to disagree with them. I wont claim to know more than them, be able to divine Gods word for others or judge their perspective. But I cant accept theirs when The Word is telling me something different.
    The Bible is meant to be personally interpreted. God speaks to each of us in a different way. Its not up to us to decide how other listen or interpret. We can merely share and compare perspectives, decide if others make more sense or feel more right, and adapt.

    I certainly do not hold that majority opinion or authoritative acceptance of doctrine has much of a place in something as personal as spirituality, our relationship with the divine.
     
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    The answer should be obvious....Moral relativity can make anything immoral or moral (evil or not). Just because some Christians may practice moral relativity doesn't mean that is what the majority of Christians adhere to. Fundamental Christianity is a strict adherence to the Ten Commandments and the teaching of Jesus Christ. Most of which center around love for your fellow human beings and everything in moderation including alcohol.
     
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    Whats up with the 'a Christian said kill gays, so you believe that'? You view all Muslims the same too?
    Of course not. Only radical muslims are bad, the rest are demonized by the extremist minorities. Only Christians have the universal hive mind style of faith.
     
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    Radical Muslims REALLY kill gays Radical Christians do not. In fact, There are really no Christian radicals today.
     
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    I sort of agree but, to a point. I am not an atheist (believe in God) but, have little reference for the works humans have created in relation to God.

    I do however, think the basic teaching of Jesus are enlightened. The tough part is separating out what Jesus taught from stuff added or made up.

    If all one had was the Sermon on the mount - this would be a good place to start. In particular Matt 7:12 "The Golden Rule" Do unto others.

    This sums up the law and the prophets says Jesus (and the most famous Rabbi just prior to Jesus). This seems a simple rule but, it is not.

    This rule has profound political and social ramifications. If we would follow this rule - the world would be a better place - but, we do not.
     
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    It would be much better if people treated others better than they treat themselves.
     
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    This is not an intelligent answer. If Christianity is only about what happens after death - then Christianity is useless because no one knows for sure what lies on the other side.

    If one did know for sure then, what is the point of being here on Earth ? If you are so sure that there is some paradise awaiting .... then .... what are you waiting for ? Why hang around here any longer ? One of my fave movie lines comes from a Steven Segal Movie "Everybody wanna go Heaven ... nobody wanna get dead".

    Since can not know for sure, is it not better to spend one's time trying to make "this world"..."this life" "right here right now" - a better place ?

    Jesus gives a simple - but complex- answer (treat others as you would be treated and all its many variations) but, what you are saying is that you do not care about this teaching because all you care about is the afterlife.

    What boggle my mind - is why most Christians ignore this teaching (the rule that sums up the entire law and the prophets).

    Jesus was uber focused on this rule ... he stressed this rule over an over. Why then do most Christians not seem to care ?
     
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    Does Christianity teach moral relativity ?
     
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    "In a perfect world" :)
     
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    I tend to think that if you would prefer to be treated the way you treat others, then you're a good person. If not, then not. Kinda the golden rule as a yard stick.
     
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    The basis of all human morality is "do unto others as". the rest is just bells and whistles.
     
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    The problem with the golden rule is not everyone wants to be treated the same. 'Ball busting' or being overtly critical in a (sometimes hidden) jovial manner is one example of something that some people respect and others find extremely disrespectful/disrespectable. These types of differences in expectations in varyng social environments and microcultures lead to serious misunderstandings by people who are unwilling to keep an open mind and explore how other people expect (or are willing to tolerate) to be interacted with.
    In short, theres a lot of disrespect between individuals that is unintentional and could be overcome if folks were just a bit more curious and patient. Being mean with intent to hurt is decidedly immoral, but much pain at the interpersonal level is simply the result of misunderstanding, not immorality. Not everyone considers the same things to be mean or hurtful.
     
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    Re read my post.
     
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    Not a tough question - and one that your post does not answer.
     

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