When you look at illegal entry, look at this!

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  1. dairyair

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    Don't know. Perhaps you have that quote or the policy doing so? All of trump restrictions.
     
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    The only policy Biden changed was to not force unaccompanied minors to stay in Mexico.
    Everything else is the same as when Spanky was Pres.
     
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    He stopped the wall construction. He stopped the file for asylum in your home country and wait there. He stopped turning them around at the point of entry and Mexico isn't stopping the caravans now. Biden's policy is open border.
     
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    The wall is mostly useless. As the latest incoming were being smuggled. Through a check point. And walls can be gone under, over, around, and through via said smuggling.
    If Mexico isn't stopping caravans, that's on Mexico. For the vast majority are being denied entry.
    Biden even told immigrants, "don't come".

    Where the links to your claims of what Biden did? About the only one I know of is the wall. Since trump was stealing money from the military to build it.
     
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    You missed it in real time? If walls don't work why do we have that fence around the Capitol?
     
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    Interesting use of the word ‘our’.
    I can figure out why aboriginal North American’s wanted to fight back against the mainly European incomers who were committing genocide against them, maybe you struggle with understanding that. There is plenty of American (fictional?) culture where a character says ‘the only good injun is a dead injun’, stuff lapped up and drunk deep by modern Americans.
    As for ‘nation’ and ‘pride’ well patriotism is a handy concept when the powerful want others to die for them, and it is striking how many people in North America sing the Star Spangled Banner so fervently with their hands on their hearts, which must be manna for those who want to exploit the nasty concept of patriotism, and it’s companion nationalism.
    Ask a virus or climate change which borders or nations it recognises.
    Accept that Americans, like most others, are pathetic hypocrites but they have the advantage of forcing through their will by dint of having the most weapons.
    I have no idea why you mention Uganda anyway, a persons accident of birth is their accident of birth isn’t it?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure if that it true. We used to get 1.6 million per year in the 1980s and by 2016 it was down to about 300K. Trump said the problem under his watch was worse than ever before, suggesting the numbers were over 1.6 million per year, but I suspect he lied, as he usually did. So, if the numbers are down that much, I doubd most people are looking "in horror", even thoguh the GOP is working hard to sell the situation as a "crises". This time of the year is peak season of illegal crossings, because of the weather, so every year sees a jump this time.
     
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    The huge caravans had stopped forming because most wouldn't get in if they got to the border. The fence and strong enforcement had lowered the numbers. Biden has softened the restrictions and by doing so has encouraged the flood gates to reopen. The question is do we want all these people to come in or do we not, it isn't are they going to come, that's a given. The health problems they bring with them are not limited to Covid. Most are extremely poor and have not been given all the childhood vaccines Americans have taken for granted. they change the entire school system as it adjusts to adapt to so many non English speaking students. Not all these people are tomato pickers.
     
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    So, what does that mean? Did the fence shrink? It stopped them last year, but not this year?

    No, they are going around the fences like they always have. The fence was never the answer to anyting.
     
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    It was and still is a valuable tool for border control. That's why the widespread use of fences around your town and mine, they do their job. The gated communities our political leadership have fences, thus the "gated" part. The reason is to control who comes in and out of their secure area.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't know much history do you? American Indians never acted as a whole. There was even division among tribes and there were many of those. I can point areas where tribes committed genocide on other tribes. I could give you references where Indians massacred entire villages of whites. I think you know that. Marxist revisionism depends on lumping humans into major groups and creating division. That way they can implement their agenda. We see it more and more.
    As to climate change.....China is building coal plants like they are going out of style! That's ok due to the Paris Accord.
    Why are people from other nations clamoring to come into our "White Supremist Nation? That one never gets an answer from the woke crowd!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if true...... we don't have to let them in illegally. Perhaps it is because we have a new, open border administration.
     
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    Either the border is open, or they are being detained, and the argument is that they not only detained, but detained too harsly. Apparently the new admin is enforcing immigration too heavy handedly.

    You have to pick either the "open border" argument, or the "harsh treatment" line, because you can't have it both ways and still retain your credibility.
     
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    So it was OK for the European settlers to commit genocide on Aboriginal North Americans because everybody does it? Is that the line you're taking?
    The superior weaponry is why the mainly European incomers succeeded, not superior morality.
    As for a Marxist agenda, what's that when it's at home? Is it people collaborating together for collective benefits? I would suggest the toll free road system in America is rather a Marxist enterprise by that definition. I have yet to meet an American who can define, in a way that stands up to examination, what Marxist actually is, or Communism or Socialism, beyond it being something they're encouraged to hate, like Goldstein in 1984.
    There are no people from 'other nations' who want to move to the North American land mass, simply people, who want to move there for much the same reasons the settlers from the early part of the seventeenth century...I think you know that.
    Why not be honest and declare that people have seized the land by force and you like that, and no other person is going to take it without some kind of conflict. It is nothing to do with legality or illegality when those in possession have made up arbitrary rules to suit themselves.
    My point about covid and climate change is about global events, which you have translated into a nationalist thing by invoking China. Global happenings don't recognise borders however high you want to build your wall...a wall like the so called 'Marxists' erected in Berlin.
     
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    If they are to be detained, they should be detained in Mexico.. They have no business here illegally. I don't have to pick squat! Biden lets as many into the interior as he can get away with then he holds the rest in conditions worse than Trump ever did.
     
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    Yes almost everyone does it to an extent. Human nature transcends all races. Aboriginals are not one class of people. They are many tribes each acting independently. Genocide was a way of life on this Continent. After European settlement....it is no more. We have defined properties. You just want to blame America for some reason and I think I know why.

    Ohh....so does that mean people are coming here because of Religous persecution? I don't thinks so. I think they come to this" racist nation" for economical reasons, free healthcare, and welfare.

    The Communists in Berlin built a wall to keep people from leaving their country. I want the wall built so people only enter our country legally. Maybe you don't have that much on the ball to see the difference.
     
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    Where's your link to all that Biden changed?

    The fence at the Capitol is temporary. But if trump supporters want, they can overrun the fence any time they want.
    Do you not think, walls can be gone over, under, around, and smuggled through?
     
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    (CNN)President Joe Biden discouraged would-be migrants from coming to the United States as his administration scrambles to respond to a surge of unaccompanied migrant children coming into the US.

    "I can say quite clearly: Don't come," Biden told ABC in an interview aired on Tuesday.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/joe-biden-migrant-children-border-immigration/index.html

    What does don't come say to your question about do we want them to come or not? That is a pretty straight forward statement.

    What restrictions were softened, outside of treating humans more humane?
     
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    If they are still in MX, they have not broken any US laws. Not that we get to enforce laws in MX anyway.

    [/quoteI don't have to pick squat! [/QUOTE]True, you can trade away your credibility and argue both lines.
     
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    I'm not going to search for you, if you watched the Democrat debates you heard the policies outlined as they are happening today. By the time Biden got around to saying don't come, they were already here in large numbers.
     
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    Biden didn't say don't come till it was already a problem and the media wouldn't let him ignore it. It's a mess and the Democrats made it. Conditions are so bad in the facilities they won't even let the media in to show it to us.
     
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    Read this and try to put yourself South of our border looking in. Does it not seem like a door opening to you? It certainly doesn't sound like "Don't come".
    The Biden Plan for Securing Our Values as a Nation of Immigrants | Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website
     
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    Debates are prior to election.
    Legislature is post election. What laws or EOs has Biden done. I know he made treatment of some more humane. And stopped the stealing of military money for a mostly useless wall.

    So, again, where's your link to the changes?
     
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56531187

    Not as bad as trump 2 yrs ago.
     
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    And yet, not as bad as 2 yrs ago.

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    perhaps a little late, but not too late. Still not as bad as 2 yrs ago. Don't Come.

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    (CNN)President Joe Biden discouraged would-be migrants from coming to the United States as his administration scrambles to respond to a surge of unaccompanied migrant children coming into the US.

    "I can say quite clearly: Don't come," Biden told ABC in an interview aired on Tuesday.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/politics/joe-biden-migrant-children-border-immigration/index.html
     
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