"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Good luck with that. I'm trying to imagine what the government has ever done better and/or for less money than the private sector. I can't come up with anything.

 

Well, we have the VA because the war time need for healthcare for fighting men and women would overwhelm the private sector.

One of the most costly medical cost per capita are burn victims. Imagine 100 hitting one hospital a at insurance nyc timesüw

 

In Eisenhower's day, the rate of obesity and morbid obesity wasn't what it is today. I'd feel better about single payer if all the payees would lose a few hundred tons of excess blubber.

 

The issue is choice or mandated bureaucracy dictating who you can see. If you believe politicians about cost, then you have never paid attention to what things actually cost.

 

Well, we have the VA because the war time need for healthcare for fighting men and women would overwhelm the private sector.

One of the most costly medical care per capita are burn victims. Imagine 100 hitting one hospital at one time. The military has the ability to spread the load out over many facilities. The cost for such an increase in care as expensive as burn treatment alone emphasizes the need for specialized wound care that of such large proportions that private hospitals can not handle. So, you have system, just like a flight of b52:s that are underused but still must be maintained for emergencies. We saw what happened with the sudden emergence of war time psychiatric care during Vietnam that left thousands untreated.

 

Ban the use of High Fructose Corn Syrup and that rate of obesity will come down.

 

Exactly.
Food engineering in general that promotes unhealthy outcomes needs to be more heavily regulated. That includes HFCs and other ingredients as well. It unfortunately hits the poorest of us first who have less access to healthier options. We have more malnutrition in the United States then many countries less wealthy.

 

We would all want that. But for generations now of peoples raised in an environment where unhealthy foods are literally so habit forming, they make good food options taste like sand, it’s a losing battle without more food regulation. Nearly everything we eat has been genetically altered and have additives. For the most part, it’s had beneficial effects. At its worst it is devastating to consumers when profit motivation far outstrips the need for nutrients.

the nutrition value of many so called fast foods is so low it increases the need to consume vast quantities just to increase profits. It’s a skam that’s killing many one mouthful at a time.

we spend more money in healthcare for food related preventable illnesses then anything else.

 

100% agree. But it’s even worse. Even then just a decade ago and not improving as long as the food industry is allowed to put profit margin over health in food production and distribution.

I was once told prophetically that you can always tell the more healthy food choice of two different brands of the same food tyoe.

leave them both out over night and the one that doesn’t spoil is worse for you. Geesus, we are even raising a generation of unhealthy overweight rats as well.

 

True...but I believe,
It’s not all the politicians in general. It’s the politicians who support the unregulated food industry that profits off horrible food choices leaving many vulnerable to malnutrition. We pay for it in preventable healthcare illnesses. Obesity is a clear sign of malnutrition where high calories are substituted for more nutrients. We’re raising generations of people who are perpetually hungry because of it, much to the intent of the fast food industry.

 

That too is choice. The ability to feed millions requires processed foods. People can choose to eat healthy or not.

 

People make choices mostly based on availability and expense. And, after a generation growing up with foods that make healthy choices taste like sand, many of even the most aware find it impossible to stay on the wagon. Look at the rich fat fks who still make poor choices. Low nutrient, high calorie foods are CONTAGIOUS AND HABIT FORMING just like alcoholism and drug addiction in general. When we fail to recognize it, our healthcare costs continue to sky rocket.

 

Foods are processed for profit. You don’t need anywhere near the costly refrigeration of many processed foods. While it can be a good thing in general, taken to an extreme makes good foods way too costly and unavailable for many. Obesity is the single biggest related healthcare cost. The rich fat fks just get transplants. The poorer fatso just dies.

 

No it doesn’t as a single choice. It requires that we spend more on healthier choices of foods then on healthcare.,

 

Educate people so that they make intelligent choices? What a radical idea. Why, if that happened, whom might they vote for?

 

They used to teach nutrition in high school. Did they stop?

I think most people KNOW that eating right is healthier. Many just don't do it.

 

You mean if 7-11 carried Brussels sprouts and kale, today's fat teens wouldn't pass by the skittles and chips and opt for the healthier option?

 

Very good point. It is also helpful to know that the same applies to Medicare. Although to a lesser extent, this taints greatly the ballyhooing about the cheaper costs of Medicare..

 

LOL, they wouldn't touch the Brussels sprouts.

 

Not taxing something is not at all the same as subsidizing something.

 

What is surprising is the number of people who, in discussions about overweight, absolutely refuse to accept that it is a matter of choice.

 

I can make the case that cooking and eating unprocessed foods is cheaper and healthier and makes food stamps go further.

 

Getting fat is a choice. It is the result of an extremely rich society overflowing with food. If people are stupid enough to choose becoming fat then they should accept the result of their choices. Personal responsibility and all.

 

You mean they believe it's a matter of genes?

 

You assume incorrectly that eating healthy is both more expensive and less tasty. What it does require is work lazy people don’t like.