Why did Al Qaeda foolishly attack us on 9-11?

James Cessna · Sep 16, 2011

Iolo said: ↑

Sorry, but that's got nothing to do with it. The idea was to provoke hatred on both sides, and it's worked. Destroying all political freedom in the Muslim states way back when (getting rid of Mossadeq to give all power to the Shah, for instance) meant that politics was bound to enter the mosque, giving influence to the likes of Bin Laden. Actions have results, that's all.
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Again, you are very mistaken, Iolo.

You give Osama bin Laden way too much credit for thinking this critically.

Here are the other reasons Osama bin Laden has given for attacking us. This guy was never playing with a full deck and was not the sharpest knife in the drawer!

For example ...

"Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention."

Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'

Online document: the full text of Osama bin Laden's "letter to the American people", reported in today's Observer. The letter first appeared on the internet in Arabic and has since been translated and circulated by Islamists in Britain.

It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
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FactChecker · Sep 16, 2011

James Cessna said: ↑

You are correct, eleison.

Bill Clinton's response to the events of 9-11 would have been completely different.

First, there would have been intense handwringing followed by months of self introspection! The Democrats under the leadership of Barack Obama would have asked, "What did we do to bring this terrible destruction upon ourselves?"

Barack Obama on expressing to the world our new U.S. foreign policy: Speak softly, bow deeply, and apologize often.
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Excellent post, James Cessna.

Check it out!

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rogant-why-world-hates-us-69.html#post3918034
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...dent-who-can-get-things-done.html#post4433326
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ulated-al-qaeda-sycophants-4.html#post4451326
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...nt-who-can-get-things-done-2.html#post4433465
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rogant-why-world-hates-us-55.html#post3876144
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rogant-why-world-hates-us-51.html#post3866097
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rogant-why-world-hates-us-52.html#post3868556
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...93508-what-motivates-obama-2.html#post4086224

I also liked the following thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...onse-have-been-events-9-11-a.html#post4462216

Which was clearly a Current Event, since it met the minimum requirements for a thread, and was most certainly not a duplicate of your earlier posts.

James Cessna · Sep 16, 2011

dixon76710 said: ↑

We had 15,000 troops in "all the lands of Islam" when he wrote that. 9/11 brought him 100s of 1000s of MORE US troops to all the lands of Islam. It wasnt until AFTER we had 100s of 1000s of troops in the region that we started hearing from the fans of Al Qaeda, this theory that he wanted us to invade.
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you are correct, Dixon76710.

The Al Qaeda sycophants in this group will do almost anything to make it look like the events of 9-11 were totally our fault!

dilligaf · Sep 17, 2011

Tim Osman worked for the CIA/MOSSAD, Not the mossad/cia invented group that does not exist al quaeda.

Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4"]Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1 - YouTube[/ame]

James Cessna · Sep 17, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

Tim Osman worked for the CIA/MOSSAD, Not the mossad/cia invented group that does not exist al quaeda.

Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1
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"The core of al Qaeda leadership, based in Pakistan, might have been crippled but it still retains the the intent and capabilities to strike at the United States, a top White House counter-terrorism official has said."

Al Qaeda core still has striking capabilities'

Washington: The core of al Qaeda leadership, based in Pakistan, might have been crippled but it still retains the the intent and capabilities to strike at the United States, a top White House counter-terrorism official has said.

John Brennan, Assistant to the US President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, said in a speech at the Harvard Law School, Cambridge, Massachusetts, that al Qaeda's affiliates in places like Pakistan, Yemen, and countries throughout Africa "carry out its murderous agenda".

Moreover, adherents of al Qaeda -- like the Fort Hood shootout mastermind Maj Nidal Hassan -- who have little or no contact with the group itself -- have also succumbed to its hateful ideology and have worked to facilitate or conduct attacks in the United States.

"The core of al Qaeda its leadership based in Pakistan? though severely crippled, still retains the intent and capability to attack the United States and our allies," he said.

Brennan said in the face of this ongoing and evolving threat, the Obama Administration has worked to establish a counterterrorism framework that has been effective in enhancing security.

He said among the administration's core principles are according highest priority to the safety and security of American people and adherance to the rule of law and American values.

"Second, we will use every lawful tool and authority at our disposal. No single agency or department has sole responsibility for this fight because no single department or agency possesses all the capabilities needed for this fight," Brennan said.

"Third, we are pragmatic, not rigid or ideological making decisions not based on preconceived notions about which action seems 'stronger', but based on what will actually enhance the security of this country and the safety of the American people," he said.

Brennan said the administration addresses each threat in a way that best serves the national security interests, including building partnerships with countries around the world.

"... and the principle that guides all our actions, foreign and domestic we will uphold the core values that define us as Americans, and that includes adhering to the rule of law. And when I say 'all our actions' that includes covert actions, which we undertake under the authorities provided to us by Congress," he said.

"President (Barack) Obama has directed that all our actions even when conducted out of public view remain consistent with our laws and values," Brennan said.

Brennan said Obama has made it clear that the US must reject the false choice between its values and security. "We are constantly working to optimise both. Over the past two and a half years, we have put in place an approach both here at home and abroad that will enable this Administration and its successors, in cooperation with key partners overseas, to deal with the threat from al Qaeda, its affiliates, and its adherents in a forceful, effective and lasting way," he noted.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/al-qaeda-core-still-has-striking-capabilities_732002.html
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snakestretcher · Sep 17, 2011

dixon76710 said: ↑

Except the main ones where he admitted involvement. One was discovered by the CIA and released to news outlets, the other delivered to Al Jezeera. Reality is but a minior inconvenience to you.
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Dick says no: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nX-KQbYXnk"]Dick Cheney said Osama bin Laden not behind 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]

James Cessna · Sep 17, 2011

snakestretcher said: ↑

Dick says no:
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Come now, SS!

Dick Cheney never said that and yuo know it!

You enjoy making things up!

Check this out.

"There's no question this is a major blow to al Qaeda," the official told CBS News Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr. "Atiyah was at the top of al Qaeda's trusted core. He ran daily operations for the group since Shaykh Sa'id al-Masri was killed last year, and has been Zawahiri's second-in-command since Bin Laden's death in May."

Al Qaeda's No. 2 killed in Pakistan

Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat, a senior Obama administration official said Saturday.

The Libyan national who was the network's former operational leader rose to al Qaeda's No. 2 spot after the U.S. killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden during a raid on his Pakistan compound in May.

Al-Rahman was killed Aug. 22 in the lawless Pakistani tribal region of Waziristan, according to the official, who insisted on anonymity to discuss intelligence issues.

The official would not say how al-Rahman was killed. But his death came on the same day that a CIA drone strike was reported in Waziristan. Such strikes by unmanned aircraft are Washington's weapon of choice for killing terrorists in the mountainous, hard-to-reach area along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

Al-Rahman, believed to be in his mid-30s, was a close confidant of bin Laden and once served as bin Laden's emissary to Iran.

A U.S. official told CBS News al-Rahman spoke on behalf of both Osama bin Laden and Ayman Mohammed Rabie al-Zawahiri, and was the one affiliates "knew and trusted."

"There's no question this is a major blow to al Qaeda," the official told CBS News Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr. "Atiyah was at the top of al Qaeda's trusted core. He ran daily operations for the group since Shaykh Sa'id al-Masri was killed last year, and has been Zawahiri's second-in-command since Bin Laden's death in May."

"He planned the details of al Qaeda operations and its propaganda," the official told CBS News. "His combination of background, experience, and abilities are unique in al Qaeda - without question, they will not be easily replaced.
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frogman · Sep 17, 2011

when the man kicked Soviet's ass,you would say"well done,boy!you are a hero!"bbbbbbut~~~~~

Whaler17 · Sep 17, 2011

James Cessna said: ↑

Third and probably most important, they thought the American people and their leaders were weak. They actually believed if they hit us hard and dealt us a fatal blow, we would withdraw our influence from the Middle East and turn tail and run. With us gone and the British gone under other circumstances many years earlier, Al Qaeda would work with the Muslim Brotherhood to establish Islamofascist states throughout the Middle East and restore Islam to its once former glory.
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This is very true. In an interview OBL gave, that I watched in a documentary, he said that he was emboldened by Bill Clinton turning tail and running from Somalia and that convinced him that he could defeat us using certain tactics.

Whaler17 · Sep 17, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

Tim Osman worked for the CIA/MOSSAD, Not the mossad/cia invented group that does not exist al quaeda.

Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1
Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist (Documentary) - 1 - YouTube
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What a bunch of tin foil hat wearing Democrats

James Cessna · Sep 17, 2011

Whaler17 said: ↑

What a bunch of tin foil hat wearing Democrats!/quote]

You are very correct, Whaler17.

The Democrats in this group really do identify with and express sympathy for Al Qaeda and the Jihadists.

They have an intense dislike for Israel, the only nation in the Middle East with a government that is a democracy and the only government that represent individual liberty and freedom.

Their hatred for Israel has blinded them to the extent they overlook the terrible atrocities committed by Al Qaeda and the horrible acts committed by the other Islamofascist groups in the Middle East. If they would take time to read the Qur’an, they would realize how cruel and repressive the religion and practices of seventh-century Islam really are.

The Al Qaeda sycophants in this discussion group actually consider these Jihadists to be justified in their cruel and wanton attacks on our western values and institutions! Sad ... very sad!
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James Cessna · Sep 17, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

Tim Osman worked for the CIA/MOSSAD, Not the mossad/cia invented group that does not exist al quaeda.
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Ha-Ha!

You are funny, illigaf.

In yuor mind, you are confusing al Quaeda with Santa Clause!

These idiots are charter members of an terrorist organization that illigaf believes doesn't exist!

dixon76710 · Sep 17, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

Tim Osman worked for the CIA/MOSSAD,
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"Tim Osman" That story is the biggest bunch of BS. You want us to believe this is a 23 yr old Bin Laden in 1980, in a Pakistani Army uniform? Pu Leeeeeez!
Osama earned his degree in civil engineering in 1979 and public Administration in 1981 in Jeddah Saudi Arabia. Brzezinski is about 6 ft tall, Osama is 6'4".

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_and_Brzezinski

The absurdity of what you people glom onto as gospel truth, only demonstrates how desparately you want to believe what you believe.

dixon76710 · Sep 17, 2011

snakestretcher said: ↑

Dick says no:
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Q I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: That's correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11.
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A slip of the tongue discussing whether Saddam was "DIRECTLY involved in 9/11"

James Cessna · Sep 17, 2011

dixon76710 said: ↑

A slip of the tongue discussing whether Saddam was "DIRECTLY involved in 9/11"
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Good catch, dixon76710.

A very good catch.

I knew the liberals in this group would never be smart enought to catch it like you obviously have!

Q I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: That's correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. Note: This statement was a slip of the tongue by Cheney when discussing whether Saddam was "DIRECTLY involved in 9/11."
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dilligaf · Sep 18, 2011

Whaler17 said: ↑

What a bunch of tin foil hat wearing Democrats
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No, i do not believe the words of an organisation controlled by zionists that failed to protect America from the sep11 attacks.They failed in their duties.

As for pakistan, they are just the puppet regimes of the zionists.

No tin hat foil needed just the fact that alquaeda are nothing but a front group for zionists.Tim osman, atta all had links to zionists, a coincidence i think not.

In saying that of course their are many muslim terrorist groups out there, i am just pointing out the links between alquaeda and the zionists.

dilligaf · Sep 18, 2011

I see we have idenitified the rabid zionists here merely to try and dispel the fact that they did 9/11.lol.....

I notice they completely ignore the massive amount of evidence ie allowing the israeli spies go ,then them later admitting they were there to film the event,what even is anybodies guess it was just a coincidence apprently that they happened to be filming the tower attacks.Flown all the way from israel just to do it too.....osama,ghadaffi,sadam,atta all had extensive links to mossad/cia.

dilligaf · Sep 18, 2011

dixon76710 said: ↑

"Tim Osman" That story is the biggest bunch of BS. You want us to believe this is a 23 yr old Bin Laden in 1980, in a Pakistani Army uniform? Pu Leeeeeez!
Osama earned his degree in civil engineering in 1979 and public Administration in 1981 in Jeddah Saudi Arabia. Brzezinski is about 6 ft tall, Osama is 6'4".

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Bin_Laden_and_Brzezinski

The absurdity of what you people glom onto as gospel truth, only demonstrates how desparately you want to believe what you believe.
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Yet you want us to believe you actually captured tim osman..lol...and that he watches porn on an old televsion..lol..the absurdities that these pro zionist lie pushers want you to believe is ludicrous.Seriously how many times did tim osman die before he actually did..lol..Not to mention the operation he had in America prior to the sep11 attacks nor the fact that he and his family and extensive bussiness ties.lets not forget the billions of money made by the zionists through airline shares,stolen gold,building insurance, lets not even mention the explosives in the towers....yeah all conspiracy nothing to see here.

dixon76710 · Sep 18, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

I notice they completely ignore the massive amount of evidence ie allowing the israeli spies go ,then them later admitting they were there to film the event,what even is anybodies guess it was just a coincidence apprently that they happened to be filming the tower attacks..
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What made up nonsense. They took pictures of the burning towers just like 1000s of people filmed the towers and never claimed they were there to film the event.

dixon76710 · Sep 18, 2011

dilligaf said: ↑

Yet you want us to believe you actually captured tim osman..lol....
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We killed Osama bin laden. Tim Osman is a ficticious person.

theunbubba · Sep 18, 2011

Bluespade said: ↑

So every so called "conservative" feels the same way, marching lockstep in unison? Dude, seriously get a clue.

It's brands of partisan extremism like yours, and your comrades on the left that's tearing this country apart.

So how about you own it for once.
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No, You'tre not getting out of this with that strawman argument. I didn't assert any lockstep thought. You did.
That's what I take umbrage with.
You are the one that needs to get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed clue.

theunbubba · Sep 18, 2011

Leffe said: ↑

You must be George Bush.
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You must be Bill Ayres.

theunbubba · Sep 18, 2011

Silence_Dogood said: ↑

Make no mistake: Osama bin Laden's attack was motivated by his hatred of Israel:

All of you idiot rednecks on this forum who think "bin Laden hates our freedom, hates capitalism, hates Christianity, they're all just a bunch of angry Muslims", may God have mercy on your soul. May you rise from your ignorance. Not for your sake, but for mine. You're arrogance is bringing this country down, and your mob mentality is dangering my security (threats of terrorist attacks) and my property (inflation thru deficit spending thru militarism). But don't take my word for it:

Do you think that 9/11 should have changed everything? If so, the terrorist have won. We have grandma being felt up by the TSA, we are trillions in debt, and now congress is spying on us. Osama couldn't have asked for a better outcome: the fear that he has created is destroying our economy, our freedom, and and our international strength.
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Any boob that thinks that Islam makes a distinction between Christians and Jews is buying a piece of Muslim swampland. And probably a piece of sacred desert too.

The mob mentality is Islam. Lockstep is thy name. Uniformity is thy strength. You deny the many versions of the Koran and still use all of them in various sects and deny that there are any differences. Insanity is your name.

theunbubba · Sep 18, 2011

Margot said: ↑

WE have lost 4,000 American soldiers and crippled or traumatize another 35,000..

We have spent a trillion borrowed dollars and curtailed American freedoms..

IMO that doesn't mean we have won.. It means we are reactive... Like the Zionists have been for nearly 100 years. Doesn't is p*ss you off to operate from a positition of fear?

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WOW that was clueless.

We have wiped thousands of Islamic extremists off the map and will continue this war of attrition until their influence is less than a breezee.

We operate out of strength and caution, not fear.

We are proactive and will remain so until your dreams of worldwide caliphate are long dead.

Even today your people adopt western ways as the extremists are marginalised the world over and those with any guts are killed in our traps in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You are not fighting the Russians child. You are fighting the most ingenious people to ever walk the earth. Americans.

My Fing ID · Sep 18, 2011

theunbubba said: ↑

WOW that was clueless.

We have wiped thousands of Islamic extremists off the map and will continue this war of attrition until their influence is less than a breezee.

We operate out of strength and caution, not fear.

We are proactive and will remain so until your dreams of worldwide caliphate are long dead.

Even today your people adopt western ways as the extremists are marginalised the world over and those with any guts are killed in our traps in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You are not fighting the Russians child. You are fighting the most ingenious people to ever walk the earth. Americans.
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What are you kidding me? You think the idiots we killed aren't just being replaced? You can't fight your religious war through conventional means and seriously if you want to fight another crusade then get your ass over there and do it yourself.

BTW while the military doesn't operate on fear people like yourself most certainly do. The people who are yelling about how great the TSA is and how their searches are somehow reasonable are working entirely on fear. The terrorists have already defeated those people. The only way to get back and fighting is to stop being scared of a bunch of idiots in third world hell holes.

Again if you want to fight another crusade go do it yourself.

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