Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

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From your research do you suspect Christians once believed in reincarnation?

  1. No.... reincarnation is a pagan and false deception.

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  2. Yes.... many Jews of that time period believed in reincarnation.

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  3. No.... we probably cease to exist at death. Yeshua- Jesus knew that.

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  4. The Gnostic scriptures indicate that early Christians believed in it.

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Tate: Cathars believed in reincarnation and refused to eat meat or other animal products.. and they believed men and women were equals.. Of course the Church killed them.. There's a thread. Check it out.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.... I have read a theory that a celibate priesthood was initiated to break the power that women had in the first and second century Messianic Jewish / Messianic Gentile community.

    While church took place in homes........... the women had great power. G-d help me if I attempt to invite somebody over to our home that my wife doesn't like???!

    So by instituting a celibate priesthood.... and... taking church out of homes into large buildings..... the influence and power that women had in the first two centuries of Christianity was broken.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus speaking to an Essene family as shown to a near death experiencer.

    http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html
     
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    For something to have been edited out it would have had to have been there in the beginning.
    There is no evidence that reincarnation was edited out of the Bible. Admittedly there are some
    attempts to show otherwise but in reality it was never there to begin with.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My use of the phrase...."edited out" wasn't the best possible way to describe what happened.

    Some books that probably date from the first and second century contain clear references to reincarnation but in the fifth century when the Christian canon was being chosen those books were gotten rid of...… in favor of the books that had fewer and/ or more ambiguous references to some form of reincarnation.
     
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    Here is an interesting comment on how one near death experiencer recognized certain people during his NDE.


    https://www.facebook.com/3476745986...=page_user_activity&notif_id=1463073284396859
     
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    Where is your evidence that reincarnation was in the Bible and that it was removed? So far nobody
    has provided any credible information.
     
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    It is important to first understand the case for PRE-EXISTENCE of the human soul.

    Jhn 9:2
    "And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?"

    Jer 1:5
    "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/pre-existence.html
    Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience


    Next... you want to notice that it was a common teaching in Judaea at the time of the disciples........

    Mat 16:13

    When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
    And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
     
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    "Then the disciples,... except for Peter, James, and John, who had actually seen this happen: (Matt 17:1-2),... mis-understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."


    9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

    These three saw the transfiguration of Jesus, as he was returning again to the mere son-of-man, while the son-of-God, i.e.; The Elijah,... left him in this metamorphosis.


    Strong:
    3339 metamorphóō (from 3326 /metá, "change after being with" and 3445 /morphóō, "changing form in keeping with inner reality") – properly, transformed after being with; transfigured.

    [3339 (metamorphóō) is the root of the English terms "metamorphosis" and "metamorphize."]
     
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    First of all there no evidence of a pre existing human soul. It's more important to understand that
    what the disciples asked was direct. Who sinned, him or his parents, i.e. people who are alive
    or were in his life time and not people from a previous life.
    Again, no evidence of a pre existing soul. God knew us before we were ever formed. He knew
    who we were going to be before we were. That's not the same as a pre existing human soul
    nor does it mean a previous life.
    A common teaching? Where is the evidence? It's not in the following passage you provided.
    And they were wrong. Peter says, you are the Christ (Messiah/Anointed One) the son of the living
    God. Jesus said he was right. There is no indication of a pre existing soul.
     
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    Define preexisting. If something is 100% known before hand, by the thing creating it, it is preexisting.
    The acts following, are just carrying out the preexisting known.
     
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    Just what it means.

    pre exist[ pree-ig-zist]
    verb (used without object)
    1. to exist beforehand.
    2. to exist in a previous state.
    verb (used with object)
    1. to exist prior to (something or someone else); precede: primitive artifacts that preexisted
    sophisticated tools.
     
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    .2 fits perfectly. It existed in a previous state in the mind of God. He is supposed to know all things, prior to the creation, right up to how it all ends.
    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    God does know all things, that doesn't mean the man had a pre existing soul.

    Try again?
     
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    I didn't say man did. But god knows all mans souls. The bible even says so.
    Does he not know the entire plan or not. Before he created earth?
    Does he know you, before you were born or not? Per the bible.
    Or is God changing things, or making things up as creation evolves? Most believe God had the entire plan, before creation.
     
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    Speaking of a previous existing sould
    God knows everything. That doesn't mean that man has a pre existing soul.

    A carpenter can know he's going to build a house but that doesn't mean that the house
    was pre existing.
     
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    Sure it does. The plans, the design. So it isn't physical yet. But the concepts to the Nth degree are there.
    Nothing exists until it is conceived. Preexisting.
     
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    That doesn't mean it exists. There still is no house in existence. There are many designs
    that never came to fruition.

    Simply stated there is no pre existing soul. Only when it comes to being in reality
    is there ever going to be a soul.
     
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    Is a carpenter omniscient?
     
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    Funny. I am sure there is a verse in the bible where God states he knew you before you were born.
     
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    Yes.... there are quite a number of verses like this in both the Jewish as well as in the Christian scriptures.....
     
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    Yes, when he's God. Of course you know that Jesus is God.
     
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    Funny. I've answered this. Yes, he knew us before we were born, i.e. before we
    existed.
     
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    Good, then we agree. We were pre-existing. I don't know why you fought it. And every detail was known prior to existing.
    Before we existed is pre-existing.
     
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    Not at all.
    In your own words PRIOR TO EXISTING.

     

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