Will Republicans Ever Reclaim Orange County?

I don't think California will ever recover. The math just gets worse and worse as you look ahead at future liabilities.

The Dems and the public sector unions literally stole the future with golden parachute retirement and no-cost medical.

Add to that the severe restrictions on land use, and property values will continue to be out of reach for lower and middle class families.

California is a mess.

 

California is socialistically-oriented in a European way. Heavy taxes on the wealthy and proactive environmental measures. Those characteristics go contrary to Republican small government thinking/ antisocial impulses.

 

I escaped from CA 40 years ago and never looked back. Glad I did it.

The thing I notice about CA is that it is turning into a state of rich liberals living off of poor liberals with little in between.

Politically, I really don't care about CA.

I think the rich liberals who run the state are complete hypocrites. I can't wait for the rich liberals of CA to help enact Medicare-for-All and then find out that the taxes they pay to pay for it exceed the cost of the private insurance they were paying for before. That will be a hoot.

Seth

 

You don't understand "rich liberals" who vote Democratic because they want to be taxed more than in any other state. There are probably more millionaires just in the Bay Area than many states combined. This is where Republicans, many of whom claim to be Christian, reveal what kind of people they are. And why we don't vote Republican.

 

I totally support a Medicare for all....in California.

I would love to see how the experiment turns out. They keep chickening out though since I think they know how it will turn out too.

 

Totally agree. You must be remembering a few years ago when the California legislature took up MFAC (Medicare for all Californians). Both houses of the legislature bounced the proposal back and forth like a volleyball, with neither house willing to propose funding for the measure. And so then it just died. Both houses of the California state legislature are made up super majorities of Democrats. The Republicans had nothing to do with the death of the measure.

The only viable way to institute MFA is a progressive tax system where the poor pay nothing for it and working people pay an ever higher percentage of income as their income level goes higher. Eventually, at some income point, the cost of the tax becomes greater than what they were paying when they were paying for it themselves. For example, if the tax were 10% on someone earning $1 million, the cost would be $100,000.

They are not going to do that, and in California it is liberals who make that decision - not conservatives, not Republicans. Conservatives and Republicans have zero political power in California to stop it.

 

We have multiple examples of universal, single-payer health care systems in virtually all advanced, pragmatic nations that spend about half as Americans for what is often superior care but, despite such an approach being empirically validated repeatedly, some are emotionally, ideologically, hidebound, prefer to leave millions uninsured, and dump their bloated medical expenses on the taxpayer, while footing the bill for repeatedly duplicated executive salaries, marketing, advertising, payrolls, profit margins, massive government subsidies to employers diverted from their business becaose they are forced to manage health plans, etc.

I don't recommend precipitous progress, but the maximum-size risk pool is desirable from an actuarial standpoint. That means a national system.

What would happen to states now heavily dependent on federal assistance like Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Dakota, Missouri, Montana, and Georgia if the more prosperous states were to advance independently?

 

California voters decide tax hikes and generally support initiatives to raise taxes by the necessary 2/3rd majority. Republicans become apoplectic over the tendency of the voters to tax themselves. LA, in a special election, attempted to pass Measure EE [school tax] recently. The school district/ mayor were shocked that it was turned down, remembering the teacher strike last year. Interestly in areas of the city where there are numbers of conservative residents the voter turnout was much higher than in other parts of Los Angeles. Republicans rally their members to vote in irregular elections and can sway the decision to reject tax hikes.

 

We don't have any examples within the United States, taking into account all of the myriad ways the our population and medical system differ. So, if you guys really believed that a single payer system would be cheaper, than DO IT, in your own blue states!

Otherwise I think you don't really believe you can pull it off, and want to drag the entire country into your delusion.

 

If the advanced states individually progressed to the system that all advanced democracies have pragmatically adopted as the most efficient, what would happen to those states most dependent on the federal government - Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Dakota, Missouri, Montana, and Georgia? Wood you expect the autonomous, self-sufficient states to still subsidize them?

 

So...you don't want California or Vermont to have single payer because you're worried about Mississippi? I admit, I don't get it. A state single payer program in another state doesn't effect Mississippi at all. This is just another excuse (and a poor one) to keep yourselves from being embarrassed by a state's example.

 

You leftists never get it... the math doesn't work actuarially.

You gave CA Public Employees free healthcare for life, and to stay within sustainable actuarial guidelines - they cooked the books. They lied.

It ended up in court and the courts said you can't do that; so they simply reconfigured the lie.

At the end of the day - free stuff ain't free.

What you people are wishing for is in no way sustainable - I don't care how much you tax anyone. The math can never work b/c human nature can't count, isnt reasonable, and doesn't care.

On the federal level, 2020 will be the first year SS will operate in the red in relation to revenue. There is no "trust fund", that money is long gone.

SS and Medicare are destined to become insolvent - it's just math.

How many $Hundreds of Billions is CA in debt?? And you want super maxout the credit card even more??

You're all either out of you minds, plain stupid, or outright dishonest.

 

All this fake concern for California's fiscal viability is just another example of "sour grapes" by the very people who hate the place that abhors Republicans. I remember the outcry by local Republicans when Los Angeles voters repeatedly passed transportation funds for subway/ light rail. Republicans predicted bankruptcy and secretly hoped that the entire effort to improve rapid transportation would fail. Americans who actually hate community efforts since it will cost them more taxes are not the kind of people to count on since they will float every lambrain excuse for doing nothing.

California has the strongest economy of any state and leads the nation in commerce/ productivity. So since California is the 5th strongest economy in the world, our citizens wonder why we can't provide universal healthcare for everyone including the undocumented. California's population is larger than Canada. So how can Canada guarantee health care for all its citizens and not California? We resent when Republicans gain power in Washington DC because we know it will mean that ignorance and sociopathic consequences. The effort to secede from the US becomes more appealing to Californians unwilling to accept Republican governance and utter stupidity. Why should the entire class suffer because the least brightest can't figure out basic reasoning?

 

Of course, there is an exception to Republican ideals about small government ~ they love the police state and the military industrial complex.

 

Living on the credit card and cooking the books is no way to run a state.

Last time I looked, 9 California cities had gone bankrupt - Stockton and San Bernardino among others.

Your debt is approaching $200 billion, and your unfunded liabilities are over $1 trillion.

It doesn't take a 5 year old with a box of crayons to figure out that is completely unsustainable - yet, liberals can't see it??

You guys are entirely deserving of the comeuppance that is clearly in your future

 

Just don't know why every Californian doesn't immediately move to your state, beautiful Wisconsin. Notice nobody here even cares what is happening in Wisconsin. Why are you so concerned about California?

 

Also they seem to support nanny state drug laws and shredding the bill of rights at every turn when it comes to giving police agencies more power to circumvent the 4th ammendment at every turn.

 

The productive people (Republicans) have moved on to other states. They’re tired of the poop on the sidewalks and high taxes. They’ve found other places with a higher quality of life, like Texas.

So what’s left in California? Hollywood elites and illegals. All Democrats. Good luck with that.

 

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I'll go toe to toe with any Texan who wants to make comparisons to California. The obvious downside of Californians moving to Texas is the lack of any significant natural beauty as well as a climate that produces cold winters and boiling hot/ unbearably humid summers. Houston, for example, is much further south than SoCal but can't grow frost-free plants/ trees and has flooding problems on a regular basis. Tornado alley cuts right through Texas. The state of Texas is part of the bible-belt of ignorance/ bigotry that totally turns off Californians. As a result, Texas is cheap compared to California because it is a less desirable place to live.

 

No, it’s less expensive because land and labor here are plentiful. It’s supply and demand. Buying a half acre with a 3,000 square foot house is easily doable. Whereas Californians are packed like sardines along the coast, which drives up prices.

Our average temperature in Dallas is 63. That’s pretty mild. The average high in January is 56. In summer it gets hot, but nothing like Phoenix or Las Vegas.

Our illegals are far less of a nuisance here than in California where they dominate the state.

We’re doing something right. Dallas will pass Chicago to become the third largest metro area in the next 15 or 20 years. We see license plates from NY, CA, and IL here every day.

 

"Supply and demand" determines expense. There are neighborhoods in Dallas/ Fort Worth area that are much more pricey than surrounding communities like any metro region in the nation. Compton is much less expensive than Beverly Hills. Both areas are within 10 miles of the ocean [so have mild climates] but one is in the Santa Monica mountains with canyons and great views. People live/ commute from Palmdale to LA because the Mojave desert is frankly less desirable/ much cheaper. Natural
beauty is what separates California from Texas. I'm not putting down Texas but having mountains that descend right down into the Pacific ocean makes for spectacular surroundings. Those mountains also block intense summer heat and Canadian arctic fronts that Texas experiences each year.

You are quite aware, I'm sure, that metro regions in Texas vote Democratic and as they grow so does the influence and policies one finds in California.

There's no place in Texas that looks like Malibu.

 

Weather is the only thing CA has going for it. When I was there in the 80's, I enjoyed myself - the state had not yet been completely overtaken by leftwing nuts.

Today, CA is a basketcase in every way.

My preference at this point would be to simply kick CA out of the union.

 

There are propositions urging California to secede from the US and go back to being the 'República de California' but the state won't allow them on the ballot.

 

They don't want to pull out for the same reason I want to kick you out...

You're going to go bankrupt eventually, and they want access to the federal treasury.

CA is one of the poorest states in the union. You're near the bottom in education, homelessness, poverty, welfare recipients, etc.

For all of its natural resources and industries, CA is so poorly managed that there is no mathematical hope she can avoid fiscal collapse.

And I have no intention of supporting a bailout.

 

Priceless, Republicans don't want to bail out California's collapse; a wet dream going back decades. Suppose you boycott California fruits and vegetables, self-censor all Hollywood media.