Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Jonsa, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another one who believes the General Welfare Clause supersedes all other portions of the constitution.
     
  2. JakeStarkey

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    "These are people who have not yet entered the workforce" is an assertion that simply cannot be supported with objective evidence.
     
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    When SCOTUS says it does, well, it does.
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has the SC given Carter blanc authority for the federal government to do anything under the auspices of general welfare?

    I must have missed that.
     
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    :) If Carter's opponents disagree, they can complain to the court.
     
  6. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that calling everyone that doesn't agree with you racist, deplorable etc, is as unpatriotic as telling people to go back where they came from for not agreeing with you.

    It seems you are fully prepared to excoriate "them", but get your nose out of joint when that "ill behavior" is displayed by your Dear Leader.

    And if T&F was still a thing, Trump would have been ridden out on a rail some time ago.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is merely exacerbating the situation. He saw the fractures and has exploited them to his own advantage. Us vs Them is central to his entire philosophy.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is what I mean:

    What is NOT patriotism is telling citizens exercising the rights and freedoms to critique the government to shut up or leave.

    If that is cryptic to you, then I was correct about your comprehension abilities.
     
  9. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lets not pretend that either side is looking for common ground. Trump is no different than the rest when it comes to selling a problem along with the cure. Hope and Change, Make America Great Again, Return to Normalcy, etc.
     
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    Demonstrate how such is ultimately the case. Demonstrate how article one, section eight of the united states constitution, serves to render the rest of the united states constitution as moot and essentially erases everything else except for itself.
     
  11. Renee

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    I Wonder how that poster would feel if a teacher mocked his child, called him names like dopey, encouraged kids to bully and used vile language. Well the President of the United States does and the OP calls him classy
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    So you were saying that because one is educated they cannot understand about low income and poor people...Do you think that Donald Trump has any idea about low educated low income workers? Well actually he does and he disrespects them. He talks to them like they are stupid and he encourages hate. He knows his base very well. They don’t educate themselves so they don’t realize that they are getting screwed by big corporations who aren’t paying any taxes that would help them..and you say the educated are indoctrinated ??? I guess you consider knowledge indoctrination . But then again Trump says he loves the uneducated
     
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    I think the left is looking for common ground. I have never heard them deliberately divide the country. I have not heard a president speak in “us and them” about Americans
     
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    None are so deaf as she who refuses to hear.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is rather different. He is deliberately fanning the flames of divisiveness. He is demonizing his enemies on a daily basis. He lies his fat arse off constantly and is dangerously erratic.

    While partisan warfare has always been a feature of democracy, I think the current state of dysfunction has been exacerbated by
    the republicans since the day Obama came to office with their NO COOPERATION, NO COMPROMISE as their performance in congress and the senate during that time testifies to. They excoriated Obama claiming he was destroying the country and now with trump all those terrible things Obama and the dems were doing, is no big deal because now the republicans are doing it.
     
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    This is only if you subscribe to the outdated idea that college degree = educated and no college degree = uneducated. On the educated side you've got the liberal arts major who can't get a job in their field and has a huge loan to pay off where on the uneducated side you've got the welder with no debt making 100k a year.

    You are clearly trying to say educated = better. That's why the left is seen as elitist....because they act like they are better than everybody else.
     
  17. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since we agree that both sides are doing the same thing, the question is why? Does our population fighting with each other make us easier to manipulate? Are we more willing to accept abuse of power as long as it is used against the other side? Are we stuck having to choose between a ****** bag and a turd sandwich? For me, the only solution is to reduce government power to an absolute minimum.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think the problem isn't government power. Its a social not political issue about "us vs them". As our society grows more complex and challenging, I think people tend to "blame" others for their own challenges where ever possible. Even the rugged independents look to blame the sheeple for their own distress.

    And lets not ignore the fact that for most humans it is way easier to hate, blame, and reject than it is to tolerate, excuse and cooperate.
     
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    You know Australia export criminals back to their country of origin... and I am totally on board with this policy. I see myself as a guest even though I am today a citizen... if you can't behave yourself then yes... leave.
     
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    The vast majority of people and corporations equate college degree with being educated and no college degree with being undereducated. It has nothing to do with the ability or knowlege of the individual. Its an accepted norm.

    And for damn sure educated doesn't mean the guarantee of anything. Its up to the individual to succeed regardless of how many letters after their name.

    Generally speaking, educated people can better grasp more complex ideas, recognize nuance and have better critical thinking skills. Not universally, but there is an equivalency in skills (not the knowledge) one acquires in obtaining a degree or a master welder's certificate.
     
  21. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you would have just said that, we wouldn't have these issues.

    I agree 100%. That shouldn't be said.
     
  22. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kinda yes. If people havent spent any time in the workforce, have never built or ran a company, have never hired or fired or made payroll... no they are not the best suited to make policy and decision for business.

    I am highly educated, I hold post graduate degrees, I'm an adjunct professor, and own my own business that I started from the ground up. I can tell you that academia is not suited to make those decisions.

    Absolutley. He has spent millions hiring and paying them.

    If those are the positions you hold, absolutely.

    What does corporations following the tax code have to do with how much low income workers make for wages?

    I'd be curious to know your background. Have you ever had to make payroll with dollars earned in a private venture?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are all kinds of educated and they become educated by several different means. I don't at all see the right putting down education. I see the right taking advantage of education and seeing it applied. More on the left, like yourself, pile up the degrees and teach, then tell everyone about your degrees and how "educated" you are. You wear it on your sleeve. It gives you an aroma of "haughtiness". I bet you have your degrees framed and posted somewhere. That makes you elite in your own eyes. You look down on people from the South, the Midwest and flyover states. Is it just the whites in those states you look down on? You are every bit of a biggoted racist (and an elite one at that) that you constantly accuse others of being.

    Here's a question for you. Some learn only be doing. Some learn by sitting in a classroom. Are you one of thre Socialists that insists that those that learn by doing pay with their tax dollars so that others can learn in a class room (free education)? Com'on, be fair,
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Leftists just still can't comprehend what is like to face opposition that fights back. It's all they have done for 2-1/2 years is attempt to fight this man.....and they lose.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Renee....here is an example of the "behavior" of the "educated elite". The pretend to know what's the best for those that they see a lowly uneducated types. Do you fit this description?
    Climate activist celebrities arrive at 'Google Camp' by yachts, helicopters, and private jets
    by Ellie Bufkin
    | July 31, 2019 11:54 AM
    New York Post.

    Others criticized the nature of the event and luxurious travel methods taken by the attendees as hypocritical because they intend to discuss a possible climate crisis.
     

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