25th Amendment

I say open this Pandora's Box, but don't you dare whine about it when it comes back to bite you. These things always have a way of returning to sender...

 

Only in disaster minds. Obama did an adequate job. Trump simply cannot get away from the 'me, me, me' mentality, and that is hurting all of us.

 

How many votes in the senate do you need for removal?
How many senate seats do the Dems have?
How many GOP senate seats are up for election in 2018?

 

The chances are basically zero that Amendment 25 or impeachment of the worst president in modern history will happen...this is how pathetic the US has become...

 

I would never consider not doing something out of perceived fear of Pandora's Box! Americans used to be stronger...

 

The idea of having an unacceptable president in office should not be about Dems and Reps. This is the problem today! Few if any Americans are willing to do what is in the best interest of the USA. We are too self-serving to consider anything other than ourselves...

 

Let us know how the impeachment proceedings end up. Thanks.

 

Really?

Worse than Pierce and Buchanan who set the state for the Civil War?

Worse than Andrew Johnson who tried to throw away what was won by the Civil War and inspired generations of southerners to "massive resistance" to the inevitable social change.

Worse than Herbert Hoover who failed in every possible way to alleviate the conditions of the Great Depression and probably made it worse than it had to be?

Worse than Lyndon Johnson who threw away tens of thousands of American soldiers in a horrendously waged war.?

Worse than Richard Nixon who destroyed several generations of American citizens trust and faith in the federal government, wrecked the U.S. space program, and got us out of Vietnam......by treacherously abandoning a U.S. ally?

Worse than Jimmy Carter who seemed to believe that "diplomacy" involved having the U.S. be humiliated in every way possible?

Be reasonable.

 

For some people, history began in 2016.

 

Like I said...let the historians decide...

 

Working on it.

I would put Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge down there as well for enabling and allowing conditions that helped set up the Great Depression. And Coolidge for also largely turning a blind eye to the dangerous expansion of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s. If D.C. Stephenson (Indiana Grand Wizard) hadn't been tried for murder there is no telling just how powerful the Klan would've gotten.

 

Yes, Trump is worse than Buchanan, Pierce, Grant, Nixon, etc.

 

Based on what?

 

Give it up, Dayton.

 

You don't feel like you have to justify your positions on a discussion board.?

 

When you offer something of worth and basis, we can discuss. But if you want to do that thing you do, then I will just

 

I listed a short reason why I thought each of those presidents were worse that President Trump.

You listed NO REASONS why President Trump was worse.

 

I disagree.

 

Hyperpartisanship is like that.

 

That is quite true. Does anyone regard these as the actions of a mentally healthy man?

The original reason Trump wanted to send troops to our southern border no longer exists, and he is the one who admitted it. On April 1st, following a weekend with Fox and friends, Trump said, "Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous liberal (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release. Getting more dangerous. “Caravans” coming."

He immediately followed that with another tweet that said, "Mexico is doing very little, if not NOTHING, at stopping people from flowing into Mexico through their Southern Border, and then into the U.S."

"They must stop the big drug and people flows," Trump wrote.

They did, according to Trump. ""The Caravan is largely broken up thanks to the strong immigration laws of Mexico and their willingness to use them so as not to cause a giant scene at our Border." He also noted that border crossings are at a "46 year low."

Supposedly, this is a national security matter. Trump's SecDef, James Mattis, has said nothing about this security threat.

Governors oversee their respective National Guard operations, giving them considerable power over the scope of the administration’s deployment plans. They need more detail, including funding, duration and end state. This could take months.

It is predicted that the Republican governors, the White House, DHS, the Pentagon all will pay lip service to Trump's order simply because he is the President, then it will all go away quietly. His order will be ignored on the basis of its stupidity, lack of cause, lack of purpose, and counter-productive in terms of cost.

But mostly because everyone knows that is purely a political stunt to satisfy his xenophobic base.

This will go the way of Trump's order concerning transgender people in the military. Mattis and the Pentagon paid lip service to the order. Then they ignored it.

This will go the way of Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs placed on our trading friends, Canada, Mexico, Australia, South Korea, and the 28 countries of the E.U. His tariffs were ignored, never imposed, and are now forgotten.

This will go the way of Trump's tariffs on China. Trump never admits to a totally brainless idea, so he sent out his economics chief to tell the world he changed his mind as he saw the carnage he created on Wall Street. “None of the tariffs have been put in place yet, these are all proposals. We’re putting it out for comment. There’s at least two months before any actions are taken,” Larry Kudlow said.

In other words, don't make the mistake of taking Trump seriously.

 

Gotta wait for the historians to provide this information.

BTW; most historians will not agree with the names you mention above...

 

Historians regarding modern presidents have well known biases. Once they pass away so will those biases.

 

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. That our recorded history will be less biased if it's written by historians born well after the historic events they're documenting?

Sorta like when current historians from the south, claim that the civil war was a noble clash between civilization and had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery. Those biases?

 

I don't know of a serious "historian" who claims that with a straight face.

 

Perhaps you should take him more seriously. I don't agree with everything he does but I agree with most of it. I can't remember another president in my lifetime that worked like that for me. Most of them worked for politics rather than the country.