Fact Check: ObamaCare, Not Trump, Is To Blame For Rise In Uninsured In 2017

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Go back to the days where we had no insurance policies covering daily doctor care. Hearken back to when government paid nothing at all.

Were health costs so high? No they were cheap. I know because as a young boy, the operation I had put no particular burden on my parents. They were not rich people. But they could afford a doctor and a hospital stay.

What happened to cheap costs?

Why does a ship built by government cost much more? Why does all that ends up at government cost so damned much more? Because the Government has the money. Insurance firms joined in by collecting money like a taxing agency collects it. It operates like a side venture of government.

I owned a machine shop. I paid my top foreman $5.50 per hour at that time. This was in the late 1960s and he was paid above union wages. Minimum wage was under a dollar per hour.

I bid on a job to make government parts. I would have welded some aluminum parts together that had been pre machined and sold to the Feds parts for perhaps $40 per completed unit. The way the Government forced me to make their parts ended up costing them a lot more than my charges since I charged a commercial company. I sold the parts each for about $550. This was when they wondered why toilet seats cost so much. I had to purchase a very special aluminum from Los Angeles when I could have purchased Aluminum stock here in the SF Bay Area. The machining processes i followed were extreme tolerances. True the parts were for a rocket into orbit but I knew ways to save money. They wanted no part of saving money.

When government is in the middle, costs sky rocket. Stop having government in charge of health care.

 

Medicare is forced down our throats. We could not take it, but frankly it is forced on us all. Be a certain age and you will have medicare forced on you.

 

If you are asking my economics background, first i have owned businesses since 1961. Second during the era of my machine shop, I took the Dunn and Bradstreet course that included economic factors. In college i studied taxation. I studied taxation in other private courses very intensively. I do own my economics book and read it. I have debated economics since Bill Clinton was president. I know of the Austrian economics system, the Chicago system and of course Keyes system and Lockes and even Milton Friedman. I think i can hold my own with any person on economics. I have tried to encourage posters to study velocity of money theory to help them understand what Trump is up to. I spent 6 years handling economics for the real estate board and there we also got more education on budgets. I have budgeted millions of dollars. So i think i do know economics.

Frankly you seem to be who lacks education.

 

You mean, make America great again ? Ya gotta luv that logic. Back just 15 years ago, 30,000 people died every year for lack of health insurance. That’s when private insurance called the shots and everything was cheaper....
Sure. Back in 1950, your life expectancy was 10 years less. You want to bring back coal miners ? Their life expectancy from black lung is always 10-15 years less then average.

 

Wow, with all that background and you still think healthcare will drive the debt to 100 trillion. I wouldn’t brag. It hasn’t happened in any other country that has it. It has LOWERED their healthcare costs and their deficits as a result. . For some reason, you guys think that a plan with an overhead of 2.5% is more expensive then one with an overhead of 17%. How does your expertise account for that ? Are you enrolled in Medicare ?

 

Glad it past the internet police test.

 

Let me put it this way for you to get you to get it.

Do you want health care to look like a Humvee or like a BMW?

Private industry gave you the BMW. Government gave you the Humvee!

 

Let me help this way. Have you researched time patients get to spend with doctors in other places? Take Japan who has government paid health care. They get so spend on average 5 minutes with the doctor. Would you appreciate that?

 

I grew up in the America with no insurance and the Feds did not pay our doctor bills. We actually had doctors come to the home to treat us. When has your doctor came to visit you at your home?

 

How does that work ? Medicare is the Cadillac of insurance plans compared to what America’s had to pay for policies before they became eligible. Seniors are very happy with Medicare compared to private plans they had before.
Do you have Medicare ? That’s a gov. Sponsored plan you know.

 

I don’t want doctors coming to my home to treat me. . They can’t bring the technology and testing labs with them. Do you know how much it would cost a doctor to see five patients a day instead of twenty ? That’s when there was no cure for nearly all cancers, males weren’t screened for prostate cancer, and your life expectancy was more then ten years less then today. You need to look at the obituaries in the 1950s and look at the ages people died. Anyone who thinks medical care was better yesterday then today, needs their head examined ........not their circulatory system. Anyone who thinks they were medically better off back then, has a very bad memory.

 

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Are you on Medicare. Seems like many people here are old enough to be. I just wonder how many of you would gladly give up Medicare which has no caps and preexisting condition exclusion and go back to private plans that dump you for profit.
It takes a little work, but you can get off the rolls.
Contact Medicare Healthcare Financial Administration .

 

Typical for a Democrat to spin what I said. I never at any point declared back then medicine was ahead of today. I realize that doctors can see more in his office than by him driving about. But the issue was insurance and high costs. We had no insurance and lower costs.

I think if doctors of today had routes to follow, the medicine would be exactly the same. I get no lab work done by any of my doctors. i must drive to the lab and they do the tests. I drive to the hospital when my cardiologist needs to do an angiogram. I did not say to change any of that.

 

You guys act like Medicare is a perfect system. It surely is not. First do you understand your doctor must get permission or he won't treat you? And they will slice off a huge part of his fee. Do you enjoy having your doctors resent only being paid some of is fees? Wait till you see the paper you get sent to you by medicare. You have much to learn about this system.

 

First i speak from personal experience with medicare. For a Cadillac, it sure is a cheap skate. Back when i paid for Kaiser health care, it was much better and private. i fear medicare. Want to know why? The way it cheats my doctors and labs. They refuse to pay for work my doctor did and won't pay the lab for tests my doctor ordered. But you want this you say? For whom? Your enemies?

 

First, I’m not a Democrat. I have no use for either party but I do find Dems are markedly better for the economy. Just look at history. It’s not rocket science.
Of course you had insurance, you had it through your employer. We have an employer based system. We’ve had it for many decades. If you didn’t pay much yourself, it’s because the firm you worked for paid for it.

 

Why don’t you have your Kaiser plan now ? It’s probably because like all plans for the younger, you and your employer paid in more then they paid out.

 

I am not the police. I don't care what you post here.

 

i love these uninformed arguments a lot.
First I am 79. Second when I boasted about things back then, it was a boast that health costs were cheap.

But you argue for high health costs. And you argue for government control over your life.

My grandfather died due to miners lung disease. I might be closer to it than you are.

Science is why we live longer. Science improved things for my doctor and the laboratyory.

 

It has always been my cost for health care and insurance. I don't have it because I have Medicare. This is why i can tell you what is wrong with medicare.

 

I don’t know where you get your information from. When You have private insurance, You could not leave your area to get expert treatment unless it wasn’t offered at all. Under Medicare, institutions that accept govt. research funds, must accept Medicare patients. Personally, I’d want to be treated for cancer at Mass General or Johns Hopkins then the local pharmacy.

 

Good grief, this is why we have regulations for work places like OSHA. You may not like govt. interference but no one, not wars or any US govt. . has killed and continues to kill as much as specific “for profits” who value wealth over people’s lives. The cigarette industry, Monsanto, the asbestos companies, the coal industry etc. all conducted practices that killed their employees and endangered the public. No entity has save as many lives as science and good governance can only be practice by investigating and considering the best practices science has to offer.

 

No one said it was perfect. But, it’s cheaper, saves more lives and is not EXCLUSIONARY. Medicare doesn’t exclude for existing conditions or cut you off with no insurance when you reach a cap. Just in those two examples, how could private insurance ever be better.
Btw, you can drop Medicare and go back to private insurance if you like it better.